First in, First out v.s. last in first out - in Temple queue
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and I totally agree . . . . lets SHARE the blessings . . .
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yes if printed (by the temple) and never being completed . .. - yes there is no way to get it out of limbo without calling Salt Lake
in my experience this does happen but has been extremely rare in my cases.
the "in limbo" ones I was referring to are ones NOT marked as printed but never seemingly picked up by the queue . . . even after more than 5 years (for baptisms) while ones after that date were picked up.
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Free the spirits from genealogy limboland!
So perhaps there is a literal "dead spot" on a hard drive or in memory somewhere this tends to occur, on a server far, far away in limbolandia...
Queue off with StarTrek music fading away....
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When he is eventually allowed back on, I will let him respond. He was still actively submitting names two weeks ago-ish.
(The reason why we had a Temple Cousin Team way back then, was precisely because we ALL had humongous backlogs of 15,000 or more in our queues at THAT time. We successfully got many of them reduced substantially.)
Remember, my parents competed with each other to see who would be first on a daily basis to submit 100 names for temple work. I repeat - daily! For years.
I reduced Dad's queue, as I had done with a few others and Mom had promised, but when she saw what I had done in reducing Dad's, she backed off and said I would never, ever, touch her queue as long as she lived.
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@RobertLeighPritchett Another explanation for why it doesn't appear to be FIFO is because as I understand it when I share names with the temple, those names can be pulled for use in my temple district currently... but they can also be pulled by those using ordinances ready. When using ordinances ready, the system will pull the names of those most closely related to the patron using ordinances ready. Those most closely related to the patron may not be the first ones I reserved.
I'm just grateful to see my list of names is now getting accomplished more quickly than when I was attempting to control the whole list personally. Almost all of the my names are in the temple shared section. When I go to the temple, I simply go in and pull one from the temple shared list and take it. But that way all of those names are available for other family members all over the world to pull from ordinances ready or directly from FamilySearch Family Tree if they stumbled onto them there.
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Perfect!
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We still have a problem. I have several names "waiting" for ordinances such as sealings that were submitted by someone else in 2012 and are still waiting for their endowment. I can request them, but I have an active list of endowments that I am already working on, a list that is already overwhelming. But I could get the sealings completed. It is hard for me to realize that people who submitted their family names to the temple in 2020 have seen that work be completed and my relative's name has been in line for over 10 years and still not done. Is there a way we can move these names that have been on hold for a decade to the front of the line? There was another person who put a bunch of my family names on hold in 2014 and those names are also waiting in perpetuity. Meanwhile, by holding those "waiting names" on my list, it is taking up space of my 300 limit, yet I can't do anything about those ordinances. If the temple is NEVER going to do those ordinances, they should be able to be released and put back on hold so they have a fighting chance.
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Okay, according to RootsTech Innovations and New Things coming up video from 2022, it states that there is going to be a Global Temple List maded from the Regional Temple Lists and that the oldest submittals would be distributed first to temples who have low name counts around the world. As of this past week, I am seeing an uptick in my temple queue names being completed in other temples, including outside the contenental US, so I'm going to guess that is perhaps it is already happening and hopefully they will verify it at the next RootsTech Conference in March.
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Ive seen various of my temple names being processed by temples outside of the US for various years now - Nigeria, Haiti, Bolivia, Hong Kong etc. (that was when I was living in the Ft Laud Florida area)
yeh Iv also heard rumors of things changing - and wondered if some of it had already changed - but no one that I asked ever gave me a clear answer.
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over the past year - my temples names have been processed in over 80 temples.
Anyone can easily determine this number - by clicking on the "download list" option on the "Completed" area - loading it to EXCEL and then "remove duplicates" on the temple name field.
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The key is to see a name that hs been completed recently and to see if it is from the beginning of the queue or recently submitted to verify that the Global List is in motion.
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Yes, I have had names done around ther world for decades, but when it comes down to endowments and marriages, those were being done "regionally".
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my names are clearly being done in FIFO order - thousands over the past few years.
BUT on rare occasions I there are cases of specific records getting stuck in the queue
or items that once were allowed for submission - no longer qualify - because certain rules have changed.
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if you do see items "stuck in the queue" where for example baptisms have not gotten done even after many years - and often in the "Printed" state - but never actually getting done - then in cases like that I have reported it to FS support - and they have pulled it out of "printed" status and then it eventually got done.
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but of course it can take as long as 2-3 years (in my experience which could be different at other temples) - before the first ordinances start kicking in - - baptism/confirmations etc. It can take 4-10 years for all the work to get done - depending on the temple - supposedly with the changes people talk about - it would not matter where you live as to the rate at which it will get done - - but any way it is done - youhave to be patient - temple names take time.
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and whether temple is now processing names in the new manner - versus the old manner - my impression is - EITHER way - it is picking up FIRST in FIRT OUT - I dont think that is changing. Just that they will be more evenly distributed across temples and people no matter where they live - would see processing rates about the same - at least that was what I thought was going to happen - and I have seen my names seem to migrate toward that.
(Im not expecting to see new names submitted - getting done way ahead of the older ones - and that being the sign of some new methodology being applied)
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Found the RootsTech video from 2022 by Ron Tanner >
https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/whats-coming-on-familysearch-for-members
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Thankfully my queue has been cleaned up into 2019. It had some back to 2012 which I had discussed with Salt Lake and had removed, since the work had been completed for those profiles. I still have over 7,700 in the Temple queue and 1 showing in my "own" queue. I expect to to poof at the end of January when the time limit clock is turned back on.
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We had more than 1,000 family ordinances done in Temples all over the world during 2022. About 200 names we did ourselves within our family group, but the rest were the Shared with the Temple ones and it is awesome!
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I had the same question about 2 months ago and looked into the details with a FamilySearch missionary. Three things were at play to cause the apparent delays:
- Some of the people were submitted during that 5 year period that ended up in limbo. Those we released and then shared again.
- The ones that appeared to be LIFO were actually picked up by other relatives because when you submit them to the temple now, it sends out green temple messages in the suggested tasks and are picked up in Ordinances Ready so people find it easier and can then reserve it.
- Most of the ones that had been submitted a long time ago, simply had not had a relative pull them, so they were waiting for a temple patron who had come without a name. Fortunately or unfortunately, those patrons are becoming more rare. I was told that a male endowment could easily wait 10-15 years before it is completed if a relative did not see it.
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as to how long temple file endowments take - in the Ft Lauderdale FL temple district that usually takes about 3-5 years (for endowments to "kick in") . (ignoring the time the temples were closed due to COVID) BUT it can vary from one temple district to another - though there have been rumors for years now that the church was going to be changing things so the rate would be the same no matter where you live.
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Temples request a batch of names before they do more - but it is a relatively small number - I believe they are constantly pulling (printing) names from the Central data. I wouldnt be surprised if there is a set fixed number of how many they request (to print at the temple) - and they just request/print as often as they need - but I am not perfectly clear about these details.
Temples will pull names as often as they need to keep themselves busy (to handle capacity) - its not like they "run out of names" and need to reduce the temple work - there are always more they can request and there are enough names to keep all temples working at 100% for an incredibly long time. .
whether a temple is really working at 100% is up to the patrons attending . . . and unfortunately not enough patrons attend . . .
the work to be done is mind boggling - and actually even with all the temples we have and all the work we are doing - with billions of people who have lived on this planet - and billions - being born - we are actually falling further behind than we are advancing.
(just the number of people on earth who die each year - is greater than the number of people who have their ordinances completed each year)
**One clarification though - currently in the FT Lauderdale District - it seems when they "pull names" - that whatever rules apply to how names are pulled - has a much greater chance of puilling names submitted from people in its own district - then pulling names from people outside of its district - But I am pretty sure that when the temple requests new names - they are NOT really explicitly requesting names from their own district - they are simply requesting names in general - and the process itself seems to select those from the same temple district at a higher rate than those outside of the district.
In other words as I understand - all name submissions (temple file) go to a central data store - and then are requested by each temple as they need more names - but that process seems to select local names on a preferene over non local names relative to the temple in question.
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The new order of how Ordinances Ready grabs names is explained well in this year's T and F H Leadership Instruction - which just went live this morning. It will tend to flush things out better I think and use computer power to do so.
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ok - but the above was talking about Temple File (shared with temple ) and NOT "Ordinance Ready"
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Roger that. Hopefully they will do something similar if they have not already.
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rather confused - what would you like Ordinance Ready to do different?
its comparing apples and oranges to Temple File and how temples pick up names.
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Turn the choices over to the computer system choosing names shared from within the local area first, but broaden out to world wide - so that there are not glumps of names waiting for years in various temples... but I see that it is a very different system with its own issues - just hoping that ordinances everywhere will be done more quickly. In our family group we have seen a huge improvement in names being done more quickly in the past 6 months - especially in shared with the Temple names... so it was my incorrect conclusion that the Temple File system had also had a revision. I see that it is different and our family may have just gotten blessed with the speed our ancestors have gotten their ordinances throughout the world's temples.
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totally agreed - but this is Temple File (Shared with Temple) (or rather how the temples pull names on the temple file list) that needs to change - not Ordinance Ready.
two different animals.
Ordinance Ready (used by Patrons not Temples) I believe pulls from names from your extended family tree.
The Temples have a different process that pulls names from the "shared with temple" database - and THAT is the process that needs to change.
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