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1900 Census Record will not attach to LRWD-816

LiKl
LiKl ✭
December 17, 2021 edited December 18, 2021 in Search

John Hardin Durham

18 January 1842 – 28 October 1926

 • LRWD-816

His name appears twice when you try to connect and the connect arrow points to his father. There is a second copy of his name in the correct place but it does not have a connect arrow. His wife and all his children are correctly connected.

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  • Sanra
    Sanra ✭✭✭✭
    December 18, 2021 edited December 18, 2021 Answer ✓

    @LiKl


    We will moving your post to the Search category in Community. You will see 'Closed', meaning it is closed in this category. You can click on the title to be taken to the case thread.

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 18, 2021 Answer ✓

    The only solution is for FamilySearch to repair whatever went wrong in the 1900 census index. This is probably a fairly recent problem since @Marilyn Reno Cranford attached that source that she has now found this problem with in December 2021. I hope it is something for which they can just roll back whatever process caused the problem.

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  • LiKl
    LiKl ✭
    December 18, 2021 Answer ✓

    Thank you very much for really taking a deep look.

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  • Paul W
    Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 17, 2021 edited December 17, 2021

    Was about to advise how to do that, but found I had the same problem as you, as illustrated:


    Can't attach 1900 census.png


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  • Sanra
    Sanra ✭✭✭✭
    December 17, 2021

    @LiKl

    Thank you for your question about the Census record compare not matching up. You can change the focus person to Eliza E. Durham, by clicking the Change on the left center just below her name, and choosing her name in the drop down list. That should bring her to the top of the screen, and align her record, on the right, so it can be attached correctly.

    A portion of the Help Center article about changing the focus person is below:

    In the source linker, the people are listed according to their relationship to a focus person. The focus person is listed with his or her spouse. Parents appear in a section above, children and siblings in the sections below.

    Some historical records identify in-laws, grandparents, grandchildren, and other family members who are not displayed on the right side of the screen. To deal with these family members, you change the focus person.

    For example, a marriage record might list the bride and groom and each of their parents. When you first display the source linker, the bride may be the focus person. When you are ready to work on the husband’s information, make him the focus person instead.

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-attach-the-other-people-in-a-record-hint-in-family-tree

    The above article link may have additional information.

    Good luck.

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  • Paul W
    Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 17, 2021

    @Sanra

    The query is about not being able to attach the source to John Hardin Durham, not Eliza, to whom the source has already been attached. (See the poster's comments and the screenshot that illustrates the actual problem.)

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  • Paul W
    Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 17, 2021 edited December 17, 2021

    @Sanra

    Oh, I see now that your suggestion appears to have made the attachment possible. However, things still look wrong in the screenshot, below. Why the duplicate of John? Also, making Eliza the focus person is a workaround - there seems to be some kind of bug here.


    Can't attach 1900 census2.png


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  • LiKl
    LiKl ✭
    December 18, 2021

    Selecting Eliza does align things but the connect arrow does not work. I had tried that.

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 18, 2021 edited December 18, 2021

    Is suspect this has something to do with the problem discussed here: https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/111789/1900-census-link-removed-from-lkh9-spw#latest which also involves the 1900 census.

    Going to the image of the census, you can see that that duplicate index record for John b 1842 really should be their son Johnny b 1889:

    Screen Shot 2021-12-18 at 6.49.43 AM.png

    but Johnnny's record has been replaced.

    To get even more strange, if you go in the source linker and drag the record to anyone who does not have a record attached, the compare link does appear:

    Screen Shot 2021-12-18 at 6.55.45 AM.png

    It isn't that something in the record we can't see still refers to Johnny, however, because you get the same thing if you drag the record to line up with William.

    So I think what is going on, is that the Source Linker is designed to not let you attach the same record to the same person twice and is getting confused because these two lines for John are 1) both the same record but 2) not suppose to be the same record but 3) jump to the same index record but 4) Johnny's record has gotten lost and replaced with a copy of John's record. No wonder Source linker is acting strange. I suspect if you did attach that second copy of John's index to Johnny's Family Tree record, that when you then go to Johnny's record and try to look at the source, there will be some kind of problem.

    In summary: Source Linker is working just fine but the 1900 Census index has developed a major problem.

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  • LiKl
    LiKl ✭
    December 18, 2021

    Very good analysis. Is there a solution?

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  • LiKl
    LiKl ✭
    December 18, 2021

    Thank you very much for your response.

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
    Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 18, 2021

    This is the same problem discussed in this thread. It cannot be attached until the index is repaired. https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/111793/a-gremlin-in-the-1900-us-census-kearny-new-jersey#latest

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  • AndLinda
    AndLinda mod
    December 21, 2021

    @LiKl, since there isn't anything that can be done at this point of attaching this record hint to "Johnny," I would suggest that you attach the record from your source box to Johnny (John Logan). You can make sure that this 1900 census record is in your Source Box. If it isn't, you can copy it into your source box from one of the individuals you attached the record hint to, such as Eliza or John H. I will give the instructions below to do this. Once it is in your source box, then you can attach it to the sources on Johnny's page. I hope this makes sense.

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/from-my-source-box-how-do-i-attach-a-source-to-a-person-in-family-tree
    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-copy-a-source-from-source-box


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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 22, 2021

    Given that the problem is in the index, I suggest taking the mod's advice a step further: instead of copying an index entry to your source box, create a citation for the entire image in your source box, and then attach that to everyone in the family. You can do this by going to the image (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XBW-4RZ?i=32) and clicking the "Source Box" button, then choosing "Add to Source Box". The "Source Title" should be pretty generic, such as "United States Census, 1900: John H Durham and family, Carr township, Jackson county, Indiana"; this way, it will apply without modification to everyone in the family. You can also include a transcription or summary in the Notes field, but you'll need to write that up beforehand in a text editor, because the Add... function comes up in an immovable and obstructive pop-up.

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  • LiKl
    LiKl ✭
    December 23, 2021

    Interesting but complex work around

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