Why are there no Marriage Tags ?
Dear Friends,
It is possible that I'm missing something.
I don't really understand why adding a tag is so limited. I'm not saying silly tags but things like Marriage.
I have for example a Marriage document, it has been uploaded to the sources by someone else. I would like to add this document to the Marriage sources in the proper marriage place. But it takes in my opinion more work than is needed. There is no tag to click Marriage. Then it will automatically add it to the marriage sources under Marrage. There are tags like Birth, Death, even Christening. But not Marriage. I think ??? the only way to add it is to FIND the document all over again, add it to my sources then add it through my sources. While a simple Tag this source Marriage, would be much easier.
Is there an easier way, that I have missed?
Thank you.
PS I see that you can copy to your source box. Which is nice. But I still say there needs to be a Marriage Tag. Thoughts?
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It would be great if marriage was added to possible tags. Right now the tags are only in place for individuals, and not relationships...sigh.
Here is a link to a similar discussion:
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Well at least im not saying something that has not been noticed before.
Thanks.
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@ColinM0288 - have a look at what Alan Brown says in the discussion that @Rhonda Budvarson links to.
You can tag marriages - but because marriage is a two-person fact, you have to be in a two-person situation to add the tag to. In other words, you have to go to the relationship between the bride and groom (usually), click the pencil on the couple relationship, add the source to that relationship and from that point, go to the source in the usual fashion and tag the marriage event.
If you think about adding it to the individual profile, you have to, as you recognise I think, bring the other party into play somehow. And things get seriously tricky if the person that you're adding the source to, has 2 marriages. Which do you tag? Or rather, how do you tell the system which marriage to tag?
And starting the tag from just one party means that you might forget to add the other party - whereas starting from the relationship automatically brings both into reckoning.
It's a bit messy, I'll agree, but it's not as stupid as it looks...
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@ColinM0288 You might want to read this thread. It IS possible to add a source tag to some marriage events. https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/147327/create-new-tag-source
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I always believe that the Software writers are smarter than I am and do not wish to give the impression that I feel they are not, (although we do talk that way sometimes don't we.) I will look at the suggestion you have made and try to pick it up.
Regards
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Thanks it looks like I have some homework.
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I would like to suggest that it would help if, on the Person's detail panel, the Marriage had some sort of 'nn Sources' indication, like the Person's events do. I find it relatively easy to put the Marriage tag on the Marriage's Source, but there is no indication from outside the Couple Relationship edit panel that the Source even exists (it isn't, understandably I guess, listed on the Person's Sources tab, either).
Example from GGDC-Z9G:
But there's no visible indication that I can see of any Sources being present for the Couple Relationship, unless you edit it:
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And there's no visibility of a Source being attached to a Parent-Child Relationship, either, e.g. (on same Person as above):
Indeed there appears to be no tagging capability at all on Parent-Child Relationship sources.
I would suggest that this all needs to be a lot more obvious, given that in my view the Sources that verify Relationships are just as (or even more) key to data quality than the Sources that verify individuals.
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I have recently encountered a bunch of marriages where the indexed event is the marriage registration -- meaning that Source Linker (old or new) doesn't offer a relationship event, and the source cannot be added to the relationship unless I keep a copy in my Source Box and jump through all of the extra hoops.
Can those extra hoops please be eliminated? A relationship's Sources list should simply be the lists of the two profiles involved, and tagging should be possible from three places. Yes, a relationship event has two participants, but that shouldn't prevent the event from being listed in each participant's choices of things to tag.
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I've just discovered some more annoying aspects to this.
My great-uncle's (L75N-R1H) second marriage was not shown on FT, so I added it, then found and added (and tagged) a source for the Marriage event on the new Couple Relationship.
I now find
a) that the source is still listed as a hint against the Person (which isn't the right place for it, surely) and
b) that the source when displayed still implies it's not attached anywhere, and invites me to attach it to the Person.
So am I expected to attach the source in two places? One of which (as pointed out by the OP of this post) would not be taggable, so would effectively be verifying nothing much at all?
This whole Relationship sourcing thing seems like a mess to me.
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It would be helpful if relationship sourcing and tagging behaved more like Individual sourcing and tagging.
One current associated issue is the inability to view couple, parent, and other relationship sources in the Family Tree app. Currently the mobile app only displays notes, with no option to add or even view relationship sources.
Also, you can tag a user-created or memory source to relationships.
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I have given up on figuring out Source Linker's behavior regarding relationships. There is simply no pattern to be discerned in when it sticks a source in the relationship's sources, and when it doesn't.
I was working with newly-indexed (probably by machine) Hungarian civil registrations. They were coming up as hints on the parents, but included births, marriages, and deaths of their children.
None of the Source Linker pages offered an actually-valid event to move over. It was either nothing (on the marriages) or the registration non-event. It was slightly complicated, but eventually I got all of the relationships and sources sorted out and attached. (Couple married in 1939, husband died in 1941, wife married his brother in 1945. Extra-special-fun: both brothers Hungarianized their surnames -- differently.)
Given that I had not been given the opportunity to create any marriage events in Source Linker, I expected the relationship source lists to be empty. After all, the relationships hadn't existed before I created them, and I certainly hadn't added any sources to them (yet); this was the first time I had so much as looked at those popups.
To my surprise, neither list was empty. Both contained a single source. One of them was even the relevant marriage registration index entry, so I could (laboriously) copy over the date of the wedding instead of trying to remember it between screens.
The other one contained the groom's death registration. This names the spouse, but gives zero information about the wedding, so I have no idea what Source Linker was thinking, to silently stick it with the relationship like that. Nor can I fathom why the relevant marriage registration wasn't added to the relationship; it's from exactly the same collection, with exactly the same structure/format as the brother's marriage, attached from a hint via Source Linker in exactly the same way. Why did the one marriage end up on the popup, while the other didn't?
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