Why are films 700378 and 700379 not digitally available? (Edited title)

Yes, you are correct. I misinterpreted the microfilm reel image to tell me they were only on film. If they were digitized and just not available, I expected to see the camera and a lock key (so I totally ignored that number that you highlight).

The more interesting question now is why do you see the camera? Are you at a FamilySearch Research Center? I was working from home.

OK, I just looked closer and realized I titled my question wrong. The film numbers I intended to indicate are 700378 and 700379 (whereas I said 700387 and 700389... I transposed numbers on the first one and then for the second film incremented that wrong number!).

Can you access those digital images?

PS: I'm going to edit my question title (if I still can).

I accessed them exactly as you suggested: via catalog and roll film number.

They were the old film numbers for civil records from that town. The corresponding church record rolls (700880 and 700881) are digitally available.

There used to be a way on catalog pages to directly send questions of this nature to FamilySearch staff (which is what I really wanted to do)... but that seems to be gone... it now sends you to these Community pages. Do you know a way I can send a direct note to the staff?

@N Tychonievich

If you look at my 9:44am reply to Brett, you will see that I do not believe your 9:38am response applies to these records... or if it does, it was applied in error. The Hungarian National Archives was the source for those records and they have made available without limitations all the other records for the now Burgenland, Austria region. Why would they limit this one set?

Also note that I originally quoted your response but that message failed to post multiple times, thus this delay in response.

@N Tychonievich

Yes, thank you. While I understand the possibility of what you suggest, I'll also propose that it would be highly unlikely in this instance, as there is no significant difference from these record sets to the thousand-plus that are available.

Also, in double checking the other two recording districts, I see that...

Szolnok, Hungary, has one roll # 2430268 that should be available. It has birth and death records for 1912-1924 and marriage records for 1912-1947 (the Hungarian limits are 90 years for births (so 1931 now), 60 years for marriages (1961) and 30 years for deaths (1991).

That same roll also contains records for Jánossomorja , Hungary... and they do not violate the availability laws: marriages for 1924-1947 and deaths for 1925-1950.

So, this roll should be checked out also.

@N Tychonievich

There is another film roll containing Szolnak, Hungary records that is not available digitally. It contains a Roman Catholic Familienbuch for 1685-1900 and is item 8 on film roll 1573076 (DGS 7955303).

It is my expectation that this item is unavailable only because it appears on a roll that contains other items that are restricted. I say this because other regional Familienbuchen are available (evidently because their film rolls did not contain restricted items).

This raises the general question of whether the unrestricted items on a roll can be made available? 

The current practice appears to be to restrict the whole roll when even one item is restricted. Such a practice would explain why the Szolnak and Jánossomorja marriage and death records I mentioned are not available, as they are on a roll that has Austrian-restricted birth records.

Can you look into this question too? I.e.: Can the unrestricted items on a roll be made available?

Thanks @N Tychonievich, it is good to know that the restriction issue is being looked into.

As far as I could tell, the rolls that I (badly) asked about initially do not suffer from this problem, as no other items are listed when those roll numbers are entered. I do hope this one can be resolved soon.

I appreciate the info,

Tom

Hi @Julia Szent-Györgyi

That is an interesting example, especially given that when I go to it via your link it shows the restrictions' "lock key" ...but it still lets me see the records. Further, when I backed out to get back to this message thread, the "lock key" no longer appeared, so it seems even the software doesn't know how to control those records!

My expectation (and past history with those records) say that there should be no restrictions, so I'm not sure why you say that this is "what civil registrations for places that are now in Burgenland should look like in the catalog." Can you explain that?

Tom

 @Julia Szent-Györgyi

I presume it does the standard thing and asks you to login first.

As you might expect, I'm usually working with the checked box and get the silent login treatment. I now suspect the weirdness I experienced was due to starting from these Community pages. If I access directly from the BB pages, I usually get silently logged in and the images appear directly (as we use direct links)... I therefore skip the catalog pages so do not see the camera and/or camera and key images.

As always, thanks!