Add New Memory Source to Living People
I saw the newspaper announcement for my wedding. I attached it to my memory in the Gallery. I want to attach the image to a source for me so that sometime in the future, someone would know the issue of the newspaper. Because I am living, I cannot add a New Memory Source. I attached the source to my mother, who is deceased, where it also went into the Source Box. I then tried to attach the source to me from the Source Box, but the option was not there.
I read that sources can be attached to living people from the FamilyTree app (https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/83691/cannot-attach-sources-made-from-memories-to-person-records). The programmers need to make this option available from FamilySearch itself. Can this message be forwarded to the engineers for the FamilySearch Family Tree?
Joan
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I keep having to enter people as living when I am not sure they are living just to add a new memory source.
This should not be required. Please put "Add New Memory Source" with living people.
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I repeate this request as I have not recieved an answer since Oct of 2021
Under Add Source is "Add New Memory Source" but only if deceased.
If I have a birth certificate on a living person why can I not attach that as a source?
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The best way to protect the privacy of living people is to not put any of their vital information online anywhere. Why do you even want to upload a living person's birth certificate to a website? Keep that kind of information offline, where it belongs, and use your private space on FamilySearch as intended: a means of connecting to your deceased relatives. Nobody will ever see those profiles except by ill intent (such as a data breach), so there's no point to adding more than what you, personally, need in order to identify them. If that's "Mom-Mom" as the given name and nothing else, that's perfectly fine.
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To everyone that has commented : The is being submitted to the appropriate Project Manager for a decision. Thank you all for your comments.
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While I agree that documents that could be a serious breach of privacy such as a birth certificate should never be uploaded to FamilySearch, @davidmburns , I have to say I am a bit confused here. If I go a living person's source page and click to add a source, adding a memory source is right there:
(sorry about the size, the resize button is not working still)
And clicking Add New Memory Source brings it right up:
I'm not going to bother checking the old Person pages to see if this function is there because those will be vanishing any day now and are certainly not going to be updated no matter how many requests are posted.
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You miss understood. I am not asking for living information to be shown to everyone.
An example: I am trying to find a birth date for the descendant of someone. This person I do not know may be living or deceased. I first come across a birth certificate in Ancestry. I like to add that document so I do not loose it or forget where I got it. I believe that what I am adding is not available for anyone to see except me until this person is flagged deceased. I have done this for years and if I then find they have deceased I change the flag and enter death information. If I do not do this I have to start all over doing the research for this person. Right now we have to change them to deceased attach the file and change them back to living. I do not like this because if I forget to change them back then you are right I am putting a birth certificate out there on the living. However, it was already out there on Ancestry.
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You have misunderstood Gordon's post above.
You do not have to change the Living status to Deceased to attach a Source.
The Source dialogue Gordon displays is for a Living person! This has the option to attach the Source as a link from a webpage (Add New Source) or from a file you have downloaded and marked as Private (Add New Memory Source).
Perhaps you are pointing out that the memory/image or document file may be Public in Memories? If that is your concern - just change the Memory to Private status in the Gallery. Yes I agree that there should be the option to upload a Memory as Private to begin with. Perhaps you could suggest this Idea (it probably already has been several other times - note: this is where grouping/merging of Ideas would be most helpful to Community). Further when Add a New Memory Source for a Living person - I notice the Private Memories are NOT displaying the lock icon (Private status)! I believe this is an interface filtering/sorting/display issue which should be addressed at some point! I believe FamilySearch is in the process of changing some aspects of Memories (due to the polling survey they had a while ago) - hopefully this will be addressed in the new Memories app. If not then I am unaware of a New Memories Community feedback page here in Community (like the new Person Page area).
Hopefully this helps clarify the process you can use to attach Private Memories to Living people.
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The reason sites like Ancestry can get away with making recent birth certificates available is that those certificates are not connected to any other data: there's nothing on them or about them that definitively says "this information pertains to this particular living person". The fact that this argument wouldn't fly in Europe is an indication of just how shaky it is.
When you connect the document to other data about a living person online, you create a potential invasion of that person's privacy. Whether you do this behind a privacy screen or not is immaterial: all such screens can be breached.
By all means, document what you find about your potentially-still-living relatives. Just don't do it online.
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Yes do all your research via snail mail.
@Julia Szent-Györgyi The point David and others make is that if the information is already available and relatively easily obtained - then no the is no 'privacy invasion' - and the fact that one attempts to keep it private does indicate discretion (no one should try to publish about living without others consent - yet that is how reporters make a living ... The circular argument goes round and round...)
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@genthusiast, I've edited my last paragraph to remove the unfortunate ambiguity.
Yes, I know the information is already online. But as I said, it's disconnected, so it takes extra work to associate it with a particular person. I see no point in reducing that extra work for potentially-malicious entities, especially given how easy it is to avoid such danger: just keep your research results offline when it's about living people.
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@Julia Szent-Györgyi Yes, I understand - but this thread is concerned with the legitimate attaching of Sources, that legitimately exist in collections that may be readily available to those searching them. Nothing in this thread mentions making such information public - to the contrary - this thread is concerned about keeping those sources private.
That someone else may mark another Family Tree Living profile (because obviously they don't have access to my Private a living space profiles) deceased has nothing to do with my keeping private/attached Sources about such Living people ... Unless such attachment reveals at any point reference to a private profile. I would not be party to invasion of anyone's privacy. If FamilySearch wants to remove the Living Space profile or restrict attachments - they can do so. Til then attachment of Sources to living profiles is available.
This does not begin to address the legitimate collaboration aspects of living persons concerning their common tree - which they could obviously need to share living information... and which you seem in other threads to fully support - in open-edit context.
Again part of the problem - in my opinion - is the mashed context of Family Tree. If all living research were in a separate tree structure context (personal/private research tree and Family Group trees) then I don't think there would be as much problem with this issue. Family Tree could then definitely restrict only to deceased profiles (as you wish). I'm glad you do see reasons for restrictions and separate tree contexts.
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@genthusiast, I'm sorry if it wasn't clear from my previous posts: my point is that attaching sources to online profiles for living people is a Bad Idea. It creates a connection between the nebulously-identifiable record and a specific person's identity. As I said, it doesn't matter that it's done in your private space on FS, or in a private tree on another site: if it's online, it might be revealed, either maliciously or accidentally. The best way to avoid the possibility is to not make those associations anywhere online.
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Yes, your 'mom-mom' and 'pop-pop' opinion is quite clear and in many other threads - believe me I understand you clearly. It makes one wonder what you are after ... have you Suggested an Idea?
That is why I am taking the opportunity to point out - the features of attaching Sources/Memories for Living profiles are available - and can and should be used without 'fear' - because they reside in your Private Living Space- and thus it matters greatly. One who attaches a record/memory to a Living person is doing nothing wrong - if FamilySearch determines that there is too great a risk of 'invasion of privacy' - they can remove/modify the component features (as you appear to wish).
Interestingly on the open-edit front for near deceased relations - I am not asking for removal of components in the duplicate Ideas I have put forward - but for removal of open-edit or in the latest iterations separate tree contexts - which would have no effect upon open-edit. There appears to be a pattern/theme developing here ...Anyway if you have Ideas to improve FamilySearch - you are supposed to Suggest an Idea ...
This thread deals with legitimate use of these features. Again - they should be used without fear or 'ridicule'.
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One more point for those who say keep it offline.
If I were just doing my ancestors I would probably have a separate program offline keeping a copy of all data.
But, I am adding info to all my ancestors descendants and in doing this I could not possibly keep things straight offline. I am 70 years old and am beginning to have memory problems. I have entered over 800,000 sources in familytree. Some lines I never return to. I would not want to make any vital information available on living people that is why I want to leave them as living when I attach a source. This is what has been done since familytree began. I do not know now why they took it away.
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I would not want to make any vital information available on living people that is why I want to leave them as living when I attach a source. This is what has been done since familytree began. I do not know now why they took it away.
Leaving aside the debate as to what one should or should not do, and sticking just with what Family Tree allows you do to, please re-read my post. They did not take away the ability to add a memory source to a living person. As you can see in the image I posted, it is right there:
Just to make sure, I went through the entire process. It worked just fine:
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