England and Wales Marriage Registration records

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dbhoskisson said: Can someone say what happened to the England and Wales Marriage Registration records?

Did someone accidentally delete them from the database?

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dbhoskisson said: Also missing are all the Death Registrations prior to 1865 (the ones that don't include the birth years of the person).

Something went really bonkers with birth years in the past week.

Apparently if the record doesn't provide a birth year you can no longer see it.
Please bring them back.

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Paul said: .

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Paul said: Confirmed - though only Marriage collection checked. I believe this is the sort of thing that happens when looking at the Scotland 1901 Census and 1939 National Register collections. In the latter case, a restriction of viewing rights ("FHC only") leads to the incorrect "No Results" message. Perhaps there is a current update taking place, involving revised records coming across from Find My Past, and the problem will be resolved later.

Hopefully, a FamilySearch employee will advise.

(See https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...)

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Paul said: Oh, I just found a (not too satisfactory) workaround for viewing the results from this collection. Click on "Search all collections" at the top of the page and you will find them, albeit mixed-in with results relating to parish register entries, etc.

If you choose "Filter These Results" and check the box by "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index 1837-2005" nothing will display - in spite of the screen showing there are 12 results (in my example of Charles Wrightson, Yorkshire marriage registration records). Definitely a bug, or current "work in progress" on this collection, causing the current problem.

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Christine said: You can also find the birth and death registrations at the General Register Office Index website; marriages are not available because they don't have funds to do those (family search - is It possible to partner with them to index these?).

Birth registrations on the GRO website also include mothers' maiden names!

Free BMD also has birth, marriage, and death registrations.

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Adrian Bruce said: Seems to be working OK for me now...

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dbhoskisson said: Testing

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dbhoskisson said: Still no luck for me. I don't get any records with no birth dates.

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dbhoskisson said: Update :it seems to be a browser issue. Though I don't know how that would work. I changed to Edge and it works. Chrome - no such luck. Interesting. How are you guys favoring a particular browser?

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Adrian Bruce said: Sorry - didn't state, did I?

Latest Firefox, Windows 10, and I'm fine.

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Paul said: I'm using Chrome, but am having no issues now. Well, with the exception of the date range problem - see https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea.... Here, Lundgren acknowledges the current problem with this. In an "exact" search for an 1860 marriage I'm getting results - for the name I am inputting - ranging from 1860 to 2001. And that's when searching from within the "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index 1837-2005" collection. A general search at https://www.familysearch.org/search also gives me an 1687 event! Hopefully, this will soon be fixed.

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dbhoskisson said: I also can't post to these forums in Chrome. I have to go to another browser and it works. But Chrome says I am not logged in and, when I try to log in, it just takes me to the home page of Family Search rather than back to the thread.

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Tom Huber said: Chrome has some problems that have yet to be addressed. The posting to the forums was a major problem for me, there is a (not good) solution. See the two promoted responses (at the top of the list) from Travis Nelson in the https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea... discussion. That resolves the issue with not being able to use Chrome to post to the GetSatisfaction forum.

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Tom Huber said: The issue of not returning to the GetSatisfaction thread has yet to be satisfactorily resolved. I use the Feedback to get back to GetSat and once there (after the fix), I am logged in.

But the system does not return to the forum when using Chrome.

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dbhoskisson said: Someone is messing with it AGAIN!

None of the marriage records display any more and it is NOT browser specific this time.

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dbhoskisson said: Now I am only getting census records. Nothing else even though it is in the collections list.

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dbhoskisson said: Also the link icon that shows which records have been attached to people is not working.

Why do you guys have to tinker with things an a live site? Isn't there a test site or a beta site that you can work out the bugs on?

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Lundgren said: Db,

Thank you for your feedback. Would you please provide some links to the searches you are running so we can try to see what you are seeing? Simply copy the URL from your browser and post it along with your comments.

There is one search link above that I found in one of Paul's searches that I can speak too: https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

The reason this search returns no results is that it is requiring an exact marriage place of "yorkshire" in a birth collection: England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008. I believe Paul selected the wrong collection in his search.

Changing the marriage place to a birth place returns about 22 results:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

If you can post the links to the searches you are running that are having problems with then we can try to see what you are seeing.

Without a link to the search you are having issues with, I can say that I am able to see results from the England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005 collection: https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

Thank you again.

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dbhoskisson said:

Hopefully the images work. The first shows that there are Marriage Registration records. Whrn I click the link, I get the second image. I expanded the Collections selected to show you how screwy ot is.

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Lundgren said: Db,

Thank you for sharing the images.

Unfortunately, I can't see any of the search parameters.

At the very top of your first image you can see some text in the box that starts with familysearch.org/search/ ...

If you will copy all of the text from that little window and paste it into your post, we will be able to see exactly what is happening with your search by recreating exactly what you are doing.

The pictures just don't give us what we need.

Thank you!

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dbhoskisson said: https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

This link is at the top of both pages. The browser is Edge.

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dbhoskisson said: Here is the entire search

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dbhoskisson said: Update: I wonder if it got confused with search by image. It occurred to me that all the items in the above list had images. But the link clearly says Record in it.

I carefully started a new search by Record and things seem to be working again. Fingers crossed you don't hear back from me today.

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Lundgren said: Actually, I'd prefer to hear from you and get to the bottom of this!

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Lundgren said: This looks like it is working correctly. Are you seeing 939 results from this search?

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Tom Huber said: This issue appears to have been addressed.

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Adrian Bruce said: Lundgren - have a look at this. Basic URL is as above
https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

This is the initial result (938 results):

Looks reasonable to me (I've not checked)

Now flip to the Collections tab and you see this:

So our 938 results appear to include 161,220 from the first collection in that list, 10,960 from the second, etc.

Colour me puzzled but 938 can't include 10,960!

Further, if you look at DBH's screen shot above (which I shall repeat below) ...

That screen doesn't make sense - it's on the Records tab, it claims to show results from Historical Records but actually shows a list of collections - not records.

You may need to get your UI colleagues on that - I did get something pretty much identical but now can't reproduce it. Honest!!!

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Lundgren said: I spoke with the UI team.

A few things we came across.

As you may be aware, we are working on updating the search system right now. We are working through finalizing rolling this out site wide.

The link you provided above goes to the old interface. (Users can't currently pick the old/new one.)

We tried to reproduce the error using the new interface that is rolling out now, and were unable to do so.

The front end team believes that this issue may only exist in the old interface, and as we are currently moving off of that interface, fixing it isn't a good use of time.

I was not able to reproduce this issue in the new interface.

This is a link to the same search in the new interface:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

Please try that link and see if you can reproduce the problem in the new interface. (If you are, please share the link back that is exhibiting the problem so we can track it further.

We hope to have the new interface deployed for all users soon.

Thank you!

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Adrian Bruce said: Lundgren, What I maybe should have repeated is that I'm running Windows 10, Firefox 74 (64 bit it says) - the latest Firefox.

There is good news, news and bad news about my set up.

The bad news is that using your link I still see 938 results consisting of 161,220 records in the first collection, 10,960 in the second, etc. In other words, the 2nd screen shot, the Collections tab, is unchanged.

That's on https://www.familysearch.org/search/r...

The I'm-not-classifying-this news is that the URL that you gave me is exactly the same as the URL I used in the first place - I've eye-balled the 2 in order to come to that conclusion but I've used a wide window in Notepad so am confident of that. In other words, I don't see how I can be invoking the new software so no surprise nothing has changed.

The good news is that when I swap to using Chrome (v.80 64 bit) I have 938 results on the results tab, consisting of 938 results on the collections tab.

Now, if you are confident that Chrome being OK now, on whatever search software it's using, means that Firefox will be OK when it moves onto the new routine, then I'm happy to let this go as being a waste of time to fix. (I have a distinct feeling that I myself have used the line "It'll be OK in the next release - honest..." in the past.)

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Adrian Bruce said: NB - I can paste the URL you supplied into Notepad - but it's not the one that I end up with if I actually click your URL - yours has stuff like
q.givenName=George&q.surname=Johnson

But I end up with
givenname=George&surname=Johnson
(no "q.")

Or in yours:
q.birthLikePlace=England
versus
birth_place=England
in the one it ends up as.

And my Chrome has
q.birthLikePlace=England

So something conspires to direct me back to the old interface in Firefox but not in Chrome. Not very useful for me to help you.... Sigh...