Standardized Location Dates exclude previous years - can't select standard location do to years

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Chantalle Ireine Marie Anne Vicich said: On several locations the dates are incorrect.
Example: Sainte-Elizabeth, Joliette, Québec, Canada the drop down window states
Sainte-Elizabeth, Joliette, Québec
Catholic Parish, 1867-1964 , but the dates I am working with is before 1867, so I can't select this as a standard place.
This is just one example I know that I and many others have a problem with. We would like to have everything Standardize too. I there away to change the dates?

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Gordon Collett said: According to Wikipedia:

The Province of Quebec was founded in the Royal Proclamation of 1763 after the Treaty of Paris formally transferred the French colony of Canada[20] to Britain after the Seven Years' War. The proclamation restricted the province to an area along the banks of the Saint Lawrence River. The Quebec Act of 1774 expanded the territory of the province to include the Great Lakes and the Ohio River Valley and south of Rupert's Land, more or less restoring the borders previously existing under French rule before the Conquest of 1760.[21] The Treaty of Paris (1783) ceded territories south of the Great Lakes to the United States.[22] After the Constitutional Act of 1791, the territory was divided between Lower Canada (present-day Quebec) and Upper Canada (present-day Ontario), with each being granted an elected legislative assembly.[23] In 1840, these become Canada East and Canada West after the British Parliament unified Upper and Lower Canada into the Province of Canada.[24] This territory was redivided into the Provinces of Quebec and Ontario at Confederation in 1867.[25] Each became one of the first four provinces.

So if this is correct, and I know very little about the history of Canadian Geography, for dates between 1840 and 1867, you should be using Canada East not Québec for the province if you want to have accurate place names.

Looking at the places database for Sainte-Elizabeth, you will see that this is how the place is entered there:
https://www.familysearch.org/research...

for 1855 to 1867. I don't know why they don't have any standard for 1829 to 1855. Prior to 1829 it's entered as Sainte-Élisabeth, Warwick, Lower Canada.

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As a side note: You can standardize almost anywhere in the world whether what displays is the same as the standardized value of not. There is still a lot of confusion about what standardization means. I haven't posted my slide presentation on this subject for quite a while. Here it is:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/...

As a quick example, this place name is standardized correctly:



which displays as this:



This is perfectly acceptable if I do not want to use this:



which displays as this:



The map pin has absolutely nothing to do with whether a place name is standardized or not and you do not need a map pin. Most of the time, when you enter the most accurate place name, … [truncated]

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Chantalle Ireine Marie Anne Vicich said: The Canadain books I am using states doesn't state anything about upper or lower Canada, Canada East or West, or British Colonies.
States: The beginnings of the parish of Ste-Elisabeth go back to the year 1794, when a request was made to the Bishop of Quebec to open a new Christian community on the beautiful territory of the parish of Ste-Genevieve de Berthier. This request, supported by the parish of Berthier is approved some years later, in 1798. The parish of Berthier and its vicars will serve the new entity, celebrating mass, funerals and weddings. These acts will be entered in the Berthier register, until the year 1802, when Ste-Elisabeth will have her own registers.
I can't do my work in the temple until I can get this resolved.

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Chantalle Ireine Marie Anne Vicich said:

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Chantalle Ireine Marie Anne Vicich said:

I finally got the photo loaded correctly.

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Gordon Collett said: You are misunderstanding the point of standardization. It is to give something for the computer to work with for the find, hint, and duplicate returns. It is not intended to dictate to us how place names must be entered but rather to be an aid in entering names correctly. In order to do temple work, all you need to do is get rid of any red exclamation marks. You do not need map pins.

The following is standardized:



It is poorly standardized, but as far as the program is concerned it is standardized and temple work can be completed.

If you want to use the standardization for after 1867 which uses Québec, feel free to do so. it points to the same geographic point on the earth as the version of the name using Canada East.

The advantage in looking at the history of an area and using the correct historical names for that area is that it can help you find more records for that area. Just because the author of the book you are using found it easier to use modern names rather than the names used at the time of the records he used and then have to explain this to his audience, doesn't mean you should. Making use of the place names database and other online resources to learn about how boundaries and names changed through the years is also just plain fun and interesting.

In any event, your original request to change the dates of 1867 to 1964 to cover earlier years won't be acted on because Québec as a province did not exist between 1791 and 1867.

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Gordon Collett said: I took a look at the page in Ancestry that you posted above. Looks like that after the parish records were sent to the archives and cataloged, it was done using the current, post-1867, name at the time the binding was put on them. That's why the new binding does not say Canada East.