Adding living people without duplicating them
We are exchanging info and a lot of the people we want to add are living and I wonder how can we add people without duplicating them.
I imagine in the future people working in their trees and wondering why we put so many duplicates (something like I do now when I see so many entries of the same person).
Is there any solution to this? If the issue is privacy, I totally understand it, why not indicate ‘private person’ or ‘living person’ so next time I want to add someone already there it will show me the occupied space without the information.
Something like Ancestry or MyHeritage, you only see the ancestors but not the living people unless you have authorization from the tree builder. But since here in FS we all are builders of the tree at least show for example that a persons is married and the children they have, without names or dates.
Thank you for considering this useful change.
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Tom Huber said: Privacy Laws, both local and international, dictate that we must not reveal information on living persons. Some areas of the world are far more strict than others.
Until FamilySearch works out how we can legally share a living person's record with others, I would do no more than set up a place marker for living persons between myself and my deceased ancestors.
As to some of your suggestions... even indicating that there is a living person who is a child of deceased parents is not something that FamilySearch currently allows. I am no expert on all the various privacy laws around the world, so I don't know why they did that.
Until recently, we could not even attach sources to the living persons we have in our private spaces. At the present time, any tree search (Find) will not locate any living person we have entered into our private space.
Something else to keep in mind is that there are no individual trees in FamilySearch FamilyTree. It is all one tree for all mankind.
But the bottom line is that Privacy Rules dictate what can and cannot be done with living persons. There are issues to consider and, more importantly, new rules regarding privacy can be enacted at any time. It would be horrible if certain aspects of living persons (possibly shared) would suddenly disappear because of a newly enacted law.
I'm not against the idea of working with a single record for a living person, but there are aspects that could be adversely impacted by new laws, wherever they may be enacted.1 -
BeatrizM said: Thank you, Tom.
I suspected what you have just explained.0 -
Along these lines - I found a living person who also created a number of people down to and including me and my husband.
The tree for his dad (my grandfather) is well filled in. As a result - I cannot connect me to my grandfather without adding my dad and Uncle who I know are already on my Uncle's tree.
I'd like to include this uncle's work since I already saw it once, but I haven't been able to search and find it again.
I would ask him for his ID number but this is a family surprise I'm working on.
Any advice?
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Joanne
Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Just in passing ...
Just quickly ...
IF, Your, Dad; and, Uncle, are STILL "Living"; THEN, you MUST "Add" (ie. "Create") them, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch'; as, "Living" DUPLICATES; and, that is O.K.; as, they are "Living"; and, will be recorded (ie. appear), in Your "Private Spaces", in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch'.
In which case, ONLY You, will be able to, 'see'; and, 'access, those "Living" DUPLICATES of Your, Dad; &, Uncle.
NO Other User/Patron, will be able to, 'see'; and, 'access, them, NOT, even, Your, Dad; or, Uncle.
The RESAON for such, is for the "Privacy", of the "Living" ...
[ Including: IMMEDIATE Family members ... ]
Whereas ...
IF, your, Dad; and, Uncle, are "Deceased"; THEN, you can, use; and, connect to, the 'FamilySearch Person Identifier" (PIDs), of them; as, 'seen'; and, 'accessed', by OTHER Users/Patrons, no matter who "Created" them.
I hope, that this may help/assist, somewhat.
Brett
ps: Please advise, if you do not understand.
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WikiTree manages this just fine by allowing you to give people access to the pages of your living relatives.
They have privacy settings where everyone living must be private, and only the person who manages that profile has access and can add people. It's only when that person becomes inactive before they added someone that you must create a duplicate.
This protects peoples privacy by only sharing that private information with people you choose.
It's really something that FamilySearch should adopt.
And then, 120 years after the person was reportedly born, you make their profile public, because they are most assuredly deceased. At that point, you merge any duplicates that might have been created (which will be less if you can invite people to share your private profiles).
The inability to privately share living profiles is the one thing that holds me back from encouraging my family to add all our content on FamilySearch.
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their is lots of Stuff I wished Family search would adapt, but Won't this has been a debate for a long time, I suggested only tell how many kids had, that would helps lots, Others have suggest putting only the First name. But Like said above due to Privacy laws they can't. Yes it would be great if they did some thing like in that matter like Wiki Tree, but not sure if they will.
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You should never add living people into FamilySearch, only those that link you to the deceased ancestors. If you want to keep track of the living, you should do so in a genealogical software program.
Just my two cents.
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