Share only some temple ordinances (for instance baptism and confirmation) with friends or family wit
edited September 28, 2020 in Suggest an Idea
Leland Boyd Hepworth said: I really enjoy the new tool which allows sharing names not only with the temples but also with our friends and family. I only wish that you could choose to share only some of the ordinances. This would be especially useful for sharing names with the youth, who can be proxies for baptisms and confirmations, but cannot be proxies for the other ordinances yet.
Emily Olsen said: I agree. I wish I could share only the baptisms and confirmations.0
S. said: this is any issue they really need to look at. I complained about some thing similar, about 1 year and have a go, but no go, and I am supper mad over it.0
Gayle Hampton said: Share with family and friends should work the same way that share with temple works, i.e., you can share specific ordinances, not the entire reservation.0
Jaqueline Rose Johnson said: I've used and liked the sharing option on family search. If I could be more selective with which ordinances I share I wouldn't have to worry about sending cards back and forth across the country to have my youth relatives help.0
Ron Tanner said: This capability has always been in the plan. The current version is a first pass. Future releases will include this ability.0
Gerald Paul Mill said: Seems six months to make operative the splitting function would be long enough especially when the concern has been around for at least a year. The benefits of getting youth more involved in their family's temple work are huge. With regards to this program, why not make our youth a priority and get the splitting function operational?0
Tom Huber said: At this point, consider when you share a name on your temple list, that you are transferring that person (and all related records) to the person you are sending the shared record to.
This is a little like getting a Find a Grave record transferred to your care. You may not have originally created the record, but you now "own" the record.
Right now, the temple list is the same way.
I use Ancestral Quest and when I reserve a name, I can select which names I want to keep for myself (for youth ward baptisms) and which names I want to share with the temples.
It appears that right now, when the name is transferred, it also transfers the ordinances that I reserved for myself (and may have even printed a card for). This is a major problem and one that should have turned up during the testing in the sandbox. The solution needs to be escalated in priority so that it is in place as soon as possible.
In the meantime, my thoughts are to not share any name where you have reserved some of the ordinances for yourself.0
Michelle Taggart said: Still anxiously waiting for this feature---it would really be helpful to be able to share only baptisms and confirmations with grandchildren who live some distance away.0
Tom Huber said: Hm. You can selectively share ordinances with the temple, but you cannot selectively share ordinances with friends and family.
This needs to be looked at especially since it has been a year since Ron Tanner mentioned that it is in the works and that we were in the first phase.
I'm not sure why this has not been fixed. It should be relatively easy to program, since the selective sharing with the temple now exists.0
S. said: the church is slow on things, I can tell you a way, message me on family search.0
S. said: i have figuard a temp solution, but in long term the church needs to imput this feature.0
Cleo Delvoir Paries said: I agree 100%. We need to be able to just send baptisms and confirmations by themselves say to our young men and young women, keeping the other ordinances to send to older family members.0
S. said: Their is one way we have found until the church inputs this feature.
Family Search has the following solution that works well for Selecting which ordinances to share with family and friends.
It involves temporarily sharing with the temple file.
To do this go ahead and reserve all the ordinances.
Then share only some ordinances with the temple.
It will have separated the ordinances into two lines.
And you can select which ordinances you share with others.
If this doesn't make sense you could email Family Search and they can explain it better.0
S. said: many other ways here:
S. said: I hope they help, but I wished they would allow people to share just one of them, good luck I hope this helps, until the church get that idea working, in my humble THOUGHTS THEIR IS MANY THINGS I AM QUITE SURPRISE THAT IS NOT UP THE LIST OF IMPORTANCE!0
Tom Huber said: The feature to share/print only some ordinances is implemented. See my entry at the end of the discussion here: https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...0
Jay Erekson said: This is the same request as "Would love to share single ordinances electronically, instead of all ordinances needed"
As for me, I have been sharing ordinances with others by printing an FOR (Family Ordinance Request). I can select the ordinances I want to share and I keep the printed FOR. Then I e-mail the number on the FOR to my friend or relative. They take the number to the temple to print the cards. I make note on the printed FOR the name of whom I sent the number. Then if the work is not completed in a timely manner, I can contact the person. Later, I will review my collection of FOR's and shred the completed ones. All of the names remain on my temple reserved list.0
Tammy Dorli Hardy said: I would really like to share individual ordinances, such as only baptisms and confirmations or only initiatory. When I share a name with someone to do temple work and they only want to do one of the ordinances. What has happened more than once is that the name sits on their list and I have a hard time getting the name back to finish the ordinances. Either they don't know how to send it back to me or they just don't get around to doing the ordinance and there is nothing I can do about it. I feel that it would be so much better to be able to share the ordinances individually. Especially in the case of youth who can only do baptisms and confirmation.0
Cleo Delvoir Paries said: Just use the Family Ordinance Request, follow through and don't print, just get the 16 digit number for the FOR and send that to the person you want to do that specific ordinance or ordinances. You get to choose which ordinance you want them to do in the second step of the FOR.0
Tom Huber said: Individual ordinances should be done in order. The only ordinances that are easily done out of order are couple sealings.
What I do is I work from the person's ordinance page where I can easily set things up and keep track of what I want to do.
If I want to send my extended family baptism and confirmation, I reserve those and then share them with the family.
Next, I go in and reserve, but do not print the other ordinances.
The process takes about five minutes.
Note: I am still working from the person's ordinance page. The Temple list page is not particularly good for what I do next.
Now I have a relative who does only initiatory ordinances. I release everything but the initiatory ordinance and share it with my cousin who does those.
Once shared, I reserve the rest of the ordinances.
This process also takes about five minutes.
Now I am left with the remaining ordinances, endowment and sealing to parent (Couple sealing is handled separately).
If I have no further extended members who can do the work, I will print the remaining two ordinances and drop them off into our ward's section at the temple where members can pick up the cards to do.
I use the second address line for my stake and ward, helping the temple quickly refile the cards once the ordinance is finished.
Yes, it takes a little work, but that is what this is all about -- serving those who have passed on before us and I do it with gratitude that we have the facilities where we can do these ordinances for them. As I was told during a temple sealing session a couple of years ago, what we are doing is an act of charity in its purest form.0
Sharon Esther Prouting said: Here is what I have been doing to share just select ordinances with my family.
For example sharing the baptisms and confirmations with my grandchildren. I select the people as per usual and then select print, either FOR or cards. I then get the option of the ordinances to print so in this example I would chore Baptism and confirmation and then click on print. Before I print I save the file in my documents and the I usually print a copy for my reference.
Next I send an email to my family member attaching the file for the saved ordinance FOR or cards. Then the family member can print the cards or the FOR and take that to the Temple. They have even had the Temple print them from the email when their printer was on the blink.0
RL said: Do we know if this improvement is in the process of coming soon?
Not having this option is holding back many adults sharing ordinances concerned about having to then do a lot of follow-up with the youth to get the rest of the ordinances back once they are done with baptisms and confirmation.0
Tom Huber said: I'm not even sure that FS is working on a fix. The Temple Reservation system is connected to the Temple Department and likely controlled by them.
Generally speaking, we have had few, if any responses for requests dealing with the ordinance page for individuals and the Temple tab in general. Some of the requests (that I have seen and made) include:
* Being able to transfer just some ordinances (not all) to another patron - that is the subject of this discussion
* Being able to sort the list by the date of the last ordinance performed
* Being able to selectively reserve ordinances (not all or none)
* Being able to "grab and take" temple-shared ordinances.
Some of the discussion threads have gotten responses from FamilySearch, but nothing has come of those. I recognize that design resources are limited, but it would be nice to know which are being considered and being developed and those that are not on the todo list.0
Tricia Wilkinson said: I was able to share about a month ago just one ordinance but I can't remember how now and family search isn't helpful. I need to do it again.0
Tom Huber said: It was likely by working from the person's temple tab page, unreserving all ordinances, then reserving only the ordinance you want to share - sharing that ordinance - and then re-reserving all remaining ordinances.
The desire to share just one ordinance, I believe, is still under development.0
Cleo Delvoir Paries said: It is easier to just make a Family Ordinance Request. Go to your temple file select the name or names and then hit Print . Select Family Ordinance Request. You can then select the ordinances you want to share. Actually, you remove the check marks from the ordinances you don't want to share therefore leaving the check marks on the ordinances you want to share. For me, it is usually the baptism and confirmation. You don't have to select all of the ordinances. You don't have to actually "print" the FOR request. If you don't print it, just say it printed when asked. Just take the number of the FOR and send that number in an email to the person who will be completing the work for you. This works well for me as I can email that number to my niece in El Salvador. I always save the information, names and number, in my Documents as well in case there is a problem. The person just takes that number to the Temple or Baptismal Office and they print the cards and do the work. Delvoir0
Ron Tanner said: You can select the B & C, for example and click to print the card. And then you will see a new browser window pop up with the PDF file. Instead of sending it to the printer - download the PDF file and email it to that person you want to share it. They can print it out and do the ordinances. You will see them done on your list and will get a message when recorded.
In the future we want you to be able to share with others like you share with the temple (by ordinances). I have not time frame when this would be done.0