PLEASE CHANGE BACK THE SHOW ALL CHANGES SCREEN! NEW UPDATE MESS!

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Pioneer42 said: Engineers in Utah, really dropped the ball this time. So now when you go into the show all changes screen (basically the backbone of the entire program to see what changes people have made) you USED (the keyword here) to be able to see all the changes in succession from new to old. Problem is, that when a person made a merge, you had the capability to see it show a merge in GREEN BORDERING and if it was unmerged it was in GREY BORDERING. Now all you have is a drop down arrow on the left side, and NO unmerge button. all you can do is click on the individual and go into the profile and choose restore. THIS IS A BIG ISSUE! Why? Because when a person is merged over the old way USED to allow you to see what was brought over and if they added a hyperlink of a source, you USED to be able to click that source to find out MORE about it, to know if it was from the right timeframe. Now all you have is the more button and no source data from the source, or no blue link to click on to find out what the source is. How are you suppose to know if the person merged was legit? You CANNOT always trust what a person has merged. USELESS Program now. Who dun it? If the lead engineer passed this off, then IM FRED Flinstone! This is such a obvious screw up! The other thing is its now so large lettering and so big and spaced. Hard to look at and makes this program unusable. This is the worst change of all the church could have done! Can we go back to the program before 2017? So many problems since...Do any engineers know anything about merging? NO. Take it from the longevity genealogist who has been doing this non-stop since 2012. This program sux now

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Pioneer42 said: That's another thing too. What the church wants now, makes 0 sense. You're saying now that when a person is merged by whoever, then it is a good merge. That is nonsense. People when they merge DO NOT always look at the person they are merging from close enough, they just want to merge it over based on the identical names. They are Not always being concerned about the birth dates and sources they might add. This is a nightmare. Whoever writes this program needs to take a class on merging with a expert. The sources is the biggest issue on this new look. You only have a option just to restore, but i need to be able to see the reference of what the source is. Let me click a link on it or something. The whole look is just messy, now the merges are part of the same changes on the left hand side and cant tell where the merge starts and ends now. Sheesh...HELP

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Pioneer42 said: bordering must come back! source link must come back! Unmerging must come back! Leave it the same size which is, if you are leaning it towards the older fold, even though it is still to large in my opinion. But, without the other three items being resolved its rather useless. You will have so many merges now, and when it comes to fix it in the future, who will be able to understand how to unmerge a person with the visual the way it is. Crazy...

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Tom Huber said: It isn't a mess. It is a change and we are naturally resistant to changes. The new change log is spread out and yes, there are some problems related to merges (not being able to set the filter on merges is a major shortcoming), but after looking through and working with the change log for one of my ancestors, I quickly found it easier to read and use.

I'm 75 years old, so something like this could have been a problem, but I found that it was set up better than the old log.

On merges, while the border was easy to spot those and its color (green or grey) indicated whether or not the merge had been unmerged.

But, after any changes were made to the record, there was no unmerge available. The most anyone could do was to restore the merged record and clean up the changes made to the surviving record. That is still the case, not something new.

Collapsing the merged information is a great move, in my opinion. Not being able to filter the merges (to see only the merges) is a problem.

And note that unless the change log was for the person who was merged, any others that were impacted by the merge -- their change logs did not have the border. I haven't fully explored what happened in those cases, but the new layout is much better.

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Pioneer42 said: Wrong! Big mess, so when someone that doesn't know what they are doing pulls over a person and there sources and didn't take the time, and there is no way to find out what the source has done, you go and look at the other person in there show log to see it all, problem is the source is not clickable in there person either! There is a reason they had the links in blue (hyperlink or a drop down to tell you more of what it was), and to see what was brought over to not have to fish for it in white screen madness to locate and understand what has just happened. Give me a break! The green border and unmerge is not the point, the point is being to visibly able understand what was the recent change, so to become necessary in the green borders and grey borders to resolve. TRUST ME. I am no rookie here. This is bad news. When you have to fix 70 + changes a day, I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! Drives me up the wall when they do something like this, it has nothing to do with making it better. There trying to get people to stop doing dumb merges and to read before doing it. BUT THEY DONT! The people that really know what there doing is somewhere in the 20-30% range. Ever pop into a familysearch bldg? ITs no wonder i get a email stating 3000-5000 changes a week and most of them are either a name screw up or adding of incorrect relationships or adding a merge because the GUY HAD THE SAME NAME!

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Pioneer42 said: Just like yesterday, fixing a family that has never been touched until recently, but none-the-less it had an incorrect merges in several of them, when I went in to resolve it from latest changes, it is like what is this! How to even begin was like head scratching and still is, I can't figure out anything in that window now, and I'm the seasoned veteran (meaning I do understand and yet its so out of ordinary now, and no longer simple that you just look at it and go, I quit)! Now I have to go the long way around and look at that individual in creation of the individual person, and still cannot understand the source link even in there window! Total cluster bomb dropped on this. I'm like why even bother now. I'm so done with these type of changes. In other words with the new program they are way to much making assumptions here, that the person that merged it knew what they were doing! With the new way you have to just go and undo a source and then go and restore the other person, but I wouldnt have to do step one if i was able to see it in the change log first! They have opened a can of worms literally now. Who do you think resolved all of these messes over time? Standard user? Yeup that's it. NOT! We, that basically got the program to where it was, are not even allowed to even be given a iota of sharing new ideas before new programming? Total joke. They have a beta site, but its no different then actually using the site. They tell you to come here to still give ideas, it's just crazy. We do all the work, the familysearch engineers modify it the way they want to be without much placebo = Shoddy work.

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Pioneer42 said: Engineers need to talk to public before making these drastic changes. This article must be read by them! This is not just a yelling argument about the new changes, it is about things that are not there anymore that were nessecary.

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Tom Huber said: Telling anyone that they are Wrong! is a no-no. You can disagree, but in instances like this, you are resistant to the new change log because you are used to the old one.

However, the new change log, in the minds of a number of us, is much better than the old.

Yes, there are some problems that have to be worked out, and those will be, given time for the engineers to actually see what people are encountering. Very little is done on weekends, but sometimes a much needed fix is addressed (often from the engineer at home).

A test group is often set up with the new code on the beta site and tested by them. Engineers are also involved with researching their own families and so they also use the production system to further their research and family lines. None of this is done in a vacuum.

Your "yelling argument" does nothing if it is not very specific to the concern or issue you have.

Fixing a family that has been corrupted by some means (almost always another user who believes they are related to the person(s) involved) has always been an issue with the open-edit design for FamilySearch FamilyTree. There are discussions that go back years with a multitude of replies and comments. It is nothing new at all.

I have found certain elements of the new design that need to be fixed and others have also noted issues. Those will be addressed. A "yelling argument" falls into the "vinegar" category of the old adage, "You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar."

One thing is certain, enough people have expressed thanks for the features of the new change log user interface that the old interface will not be restored. That happens the majority of times when changes to an interface are introduced. No amount of "yelling arguments" are going to result in a return of the old user interface.

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Pioneer42 said: Sorry Tom, you are wrong in this instance. I know its hard to swallow. But THEY WILL NOT ALWAYS FIX IT LIKE YOU ARE SAYING. I think I have the clarity to understand what they have done since 2012, and anything we all wanted they just said to goodluck and deal with it. So many things used to be normal are no longer there. Does the program still work, yes, but doesn't mean it is better. Haven't you ever heard the old saying if it aint broke don't fix? I have worked for several companies still using software from the 1980s in DOS format. It still works, no need to update, it is just not visually good, but who cares. On the other hand i have also worked with new programs that updated from the old and they were crap, and everyone at work complained and hated there lives with that program. But the new people will never know the difference, that's why they don't care. Problem is though, this isn't some internal business access only, this is public!, and we live for 90 years, and I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO COMPLAIN WHAT IS NOT GOING RIGHT WITH WHAT ONCE WAS. So they will have to deal with the noise! What they did here is not just a visual problem thing sorry! More like sloppiness.

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Tom Huber said: The old user interface was broken and had its problems. Some of those have been addressed, and like all newly released interfaces, there are some issues that need to be addressed.

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Pioneer42 said: Don't seem to be getting through to anyone, so here is a upload to make more sense, this is more then just about merging people! If this doesn't make sense I don't know what else to say. If I need to make a new thread I will. No blue Hyper link to sources and the more button is useless, click it and try on anyone in the latest changes screen. If you cant know what the source is from that window you have to go the long way by examing the persons sources, since the merges screen in there wont tell you. I keep telling you all that the latest changes is the backbone to the program, it used for fixing and nothing else!

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Pioneer42 said: Do you understand now? Does this look normal to you guys? If it does then I'm defiantly in outer space, and on planet Mars. One of those areas and will be going on vacation permanently. This is one of those things you entirely missed on the latest changes screen. Now let me show you another problem with the latest changes screen that is not there and needs to be at the bottom of the screen:

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joe martel said: When I click on More it shows more text. Not much more there, and it is dependent on you screen width. You can try playing with the screen width to see how it works. If More doesn't show then that probably a defect. Hope that helps.



Click on More:


When you click Less it will collapse back to the first state.

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Pioneer42 said: The point is, it gives nothing joe. It used to tell you more about the thing and also let you click the blue link to find out more about this record. You have no option now anymore. Same on any id anywhere

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Pioneer42 said: The Nicholas Skillicorne in entry for Margaret, "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991" Is just where the source record is in and has always been listed that way, but I need to see the info of what is in that link to know what im doing while in the latest screen to not have to jump back and forth from sources and back into latest changes like I have to now. The old way had a blue link or you could click that more button and it would show you the details of it without having to even click the blue link. hope that helps

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joe martel said: Thanks. This is likely a defect that the team is aware of. There are other screens where the footer has never shown - like the View Tree page.

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joe martel said: Got it. We lost the ability to see the  Source's information. The teams are aware of this defect. Thanks

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Pioneer42 said: no problem, and thanks for responding joe