How to count relatives in Family Tree
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Tom Huber said: You don't have your own tree. FamilyTree is universal and shared with the rest of the world with the exception of the area where you enter living people.
The question about being able to download (as a GEDCOM) or tell how many people are relatives that have some kind of connection to you in FT has been raised a number of times. Right now, there is no means to count the number of people that you have connections to with the current code in FT.
At some future time, this may be a feature, but right now, the only way to count the number of people is to maintain a private genealogy program that you link to each person you have identified in FT. That program will give you the answer you are seeking.
The three certified programs are (in alphabetical order): Ancestral Quest, Legacy, and Roots Magic. See https://familysearch.org/apps/ for details.0 -
Ron Tanner said: Many of the lines in the US converge and that line is well over 350M persons.0
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Tom Huber said: Yes. The better goal is to clean up all those persons, to make sure that everything concerning them is accurate. There are several of my lines that are a mess and I have not contributed to them. I am working with one right now to try to find enough sources to properly identify the children and not have the mess of duplicate kids for the parents (the results of bad parent merges in nFS and beyond).
To get a count has little purpose, in my opinion, other than perhaps, bragging rights.0 -
Ronald William, Jr Jordan said: Put your tree on ancestry and they have all these features - family search is a little behind0
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Tom Huber said: Heh. "Little"? Yes, it is. FT is still in initial development. compared to Ancestry, but it is the most developed collaborative Family Tree system available today.
In Geek-Speak, FT is somewhere around version 0.75 or so (my estimation). Most of the folks who speak geek, agree that it has not reached version 1.0 yet.0 -
Rosemarie Joner Collins said: I'm not doing for bragging rights, or even for my own site. I am asking because one of the sites a friend wants to use says if you don't have 1,000 people in your tree it won't work. He was wondering how to find out how many people he had in his tree.
Assuming it is for bragging right rather than a purpose, hummmmmm!0 -
Gordon Collett said: So why can Ancestry count the number of your relatives and Family Tree can't yet? This is a result of the difference between how the two web sites work.
On Ancestry you have your private tree. I assume each tree has a master index of who is in tree. All the program needs to do is see how many entries are in that index and tell you that number.
In Family Tree, we are all working in the same tree and there is nothing in an individual's entry that designates it as being one of your particular relatives. So if you could enter a request to see how many relatives you are connected to, it first would have to determine all the relationships that link to you and add them up. First it would count all your parents, grand parents, gg-grandparents back as far as any line stretched. Then it would have to find and count all your siblings, aunts and uncles, then all your first cousins and their spouses, then all your second cousins and all their spouses, third cousins, fourth cousins, .... 25th cousins, 50th cousins. This could take days.
On Ancestry, you have to enter all your relatives by yourself, which keeps the numbers reasonable. On Family Tree, all you have to do is make one link from a great-grandparent into the rest of the tree, and all of a sudden you are connected to the entire tree.
As far as the website your friend is going to use which suggests he puts in 1000 names, I suspect that is not really necessary. It is a nice round number and I suspect the company has found that if you have that many, your chance of overlapping someone else's tree so they can give hints and record matches is about 99.99%. If your friend only puts up 250 names, maybe there is only an 85% chance of the automatic matching routine finding someone.
For example, I put up a tree of about 1700 people on My Heritage. My Heritage has given me 25,015 matches for these individuals in 3,483 different trees. I have checked a few at random and few of these trees have sources and I haven't found any new information yet.
So if your friend puts just a few hundred people on the site being considered, I would not doubt that there will still be plenty of information to wade through.0 -
Tom Huber said: Okay, that makes sense. Since Family Tree is basically huge, your friend needs to log in (with their own account) and go to their first deceased ancestor and simply take a look in the "tree" view. They should probably incrementally step up the tree and switch to descendant view. It should be fairly apparent very quickly that they have over the 1,000 relatives.
Also, let your friend know that Family Tree is a tree that covers the entire human race and that there is no "personal tree" involved. It is a collaborative effort.
Also, there is no way to download a GEDCOM of relatives from FamiyTree, so if this is for another site, in which he wants to upload "their" tree, FamilyTree will not be much use, unless he picks up a partner program that has a feature called "Find my Ancestors" from Family Tree. There is more than one way to tackle this through partner applications. You may want to take a look or have your friend take a look at https://familysearch.org/apps/
One of more of the apps may have enough for your friend to use to obtain what they need.0 -
Tom Huber said: Ancestry has private trees. Family Tree is a universal collaborative tree. The difference is that a private tree immediately provides the number of people in the tree, while FamilyTree is as you have noted . . .0
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S. said: True to all, he could a also ask how many generations back he want to know. the farther you go back the more names you will get.0
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To refocus this years old thread a little, it would be so helpful to get a head count of any decendancy tree and any ancestry tree. Perhaps also a maximum depth. I don't want to abuse Puzzilla just to approximate this information. My interest is not about bragging rights but about planning work for the next days, weeks, months. Is the ancestry tree a pole (John son of John son of John) or is it a full bush, with 2 parents each generation: 2, 4, 6, 16...? Or are there more than 2 parents per generation: John son of John and Mary or son of Peter and Paula?
Also, I tend to do a lot of merging and splitting. Often I wonder how much the connected network changes as a result of my thinning and grafting.
Thanks in advance!
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FYI
I am just another 'lowly. User/Patron ...
Just my thoughts ...
There is no need to refocus this post ...
And, there is NO real need for 'FamilySearch' to add a "Count", of one's "Ancestors"/"Relatives", in one's "Ancestral" Lines, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
FIRSTLY ...
Such is NOT a necessary feature, in regard to the basic 'nature' and 'premise' of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' ...
▬ IF, one's "Ancestral" Lines in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; THEN, the "Count" can almost be endless ...
... I know; as, I tried to "Download" such, many years ago (when we could) ...
... After 6 to 8 Hours; &, 200,000+ individuals/persons; &, "Couple" & "Parent-Child", Relationships ...
... The "Download" CRASHED ... 'gave up the ghost' ...
▬ And, as, there are MANY external "Programmes" that one can use that can do such a "Count ...
▬ Plus, you are not alone, there are MANY of us who do a LOT of "Merging"/"Combining" ...
SECONDLY ...
There are MANY "Other" more important competing priorities in "Family Tree" (and, the Other PARTS) of 'FamilySearch' that need, implementing or fixing/addressing; and, most importantly, there are limited resources available to 'FamilySearch'.
FINALLY ...
As, suggested, there are MANY external "Programmes" that one can use that can do such a "Count ...
For example ...
The best option for such in your "Ancestral" lines in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', is to use one of the "Third Party" Applications (being one of the "Family Tree Management" programmes) that is "Certified" to work with "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
The "Third Party" Applications that are "Certified" to work with "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' can be found in the "Solutions Gallery" of 'FamilySearch'.
Here is a direct link to the "Solutions Gallery" of 'FamilySearch':
https://partners.familysearch.org/solutionsgallery/s/
And, here is the direct link to the "Family Tree Management programmes" themselves:
https://partners.familysearch.org/solutionsgallery/s/list?category=family_tree_management
"Third Party" Applications that are "Certified" to work with "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' include, BOTH, 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes ("Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
Some of the "Third Party" Applications that are "Certified" to work with "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' have, BOTH, a Basic FREE version; and/or, a Premium PIAD (ie. "Subscription") version, the latter just having more 'Bells and Whistles'. The Basic FREE version is sufficient for most, the average, User/Patron. Whereas, the Premium PAID (ie. "Subscription") version is the choice of most experienced and 'power' Users/Patrons.
You can use ONE or MORE than one, of the the "Third Party" Applications, the choice is yours.
Most of the "Third Party" Applications that are "Certified" to work with "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that are "Family Tree Management programmes, have INTERFACES that work/connect (directly) with "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that can, "Download"; and, "Upload" (ie. "Transfer) between the "Third Party" Application and "Family Tree".
Again, just my thoughts.
Brett
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So, which 3rd party apps do what I am looking for?
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Take your pick ...
https://partners.familysearch.org/solutionsgallery/s/list?category=family_tree_management
One or any number ...
'On-Line' "Websites"; or, 'standalone' personal (computer), programmes ...
The choice is yours ...
Brett
ps: Everyone has a different preference and perspective ...
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Anyone? What apps that work with Family Tree give counts of Family Tree ancestors and descendants of a given profile?
I am not asking how or where a tree can be exported from Family Tree, and I don't want to visualize a tree, just get counts.
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Rosemarie,
In Relative Finder in the top menu bar under Relatives select Masquerade. Enter a Family Tree profile ID for a recent person in your tree (=connected network) of interest. That will generate a table and some summary data. Just now I tried 9NJ4-2JP with result: "680 relatives, using 3310 ancestors and 16 generations." I am not sure exactly what those numbers mean, but the table lists cousins so it is not a straight ancestry tree. Does that help?
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