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PatLev
PatLev ✭
October 16, 2021 edited October 16, 2021 in Magyar - Hungarian
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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 1, 2021 edited November 2, 2021 Answer ✓

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWK3-2ZX?i=65

    385. Entered 11 Aug. 1911, died 11 Aug. 1911 3:30 a.m.

    Deceased: János Salzer, assistant iron-turner, Lutheran, age 25 years; residence Budapest V. Dagály street 1852

    Spouse: -

    Parents: the late János Salzer, Mária Kundek

    Place of death, if different from residence: -

    Cause of death: tuberculosis

    Informant: Mária Salzer

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    As the mod wrote, the civil registrations do not record any information about burial. You can try FindAGrave or BillionGraves (or FamilySearch's copies of their indexes), but if the grave wasn't renewed since 1911, then it's probably long gone -- crowded cemeteries (like all of Budapest's) generally have a lease term of 25 years.

    His mother died in 1927:

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94J-1LLH?i=514

    188. Entered 9 May 1927, died 9 May 1927 3 a.m.

    Deceased: Mrs. János Salzer Mária Kundek (widow), Lutheran, age 71 years, residence Rákospalota, Dessewffy street 56

    Spouse: the late János Salzer

    Parents: the late András Kundek, the late Zsuzsanna Stero(?)

    Cause: stroke

    Informant: Mrs. Ferenc Bukomerich

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    And the informant for that was János's sister Anna, who died in 1959:

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPBD-VJS?i=10

    45. Budapest XV, 14 Feb. 1959

    Deceased: Mrs. Ferenc Bukomeritsch Anna Salzer, female, widow, residence Budapest XV. Dessewffy street 56

    Birth: Budapest, 30 Jul 1880, parents the late János Salzer, the late Mária Kundek

    Spouse: the late Ferenc Bukomeritsch, marriage Budapest V., 1904

    Cause: heart failure, cerebral sclerosis

    Entered 16 Feb 1959, Mrs. János Kövesi, informant

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    Marriage of said sister: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X919-RHM?i=51

    Marriage of older brother István Károly, in 1900: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4C9-W4?i=9

    And marriage of little brother Lajos, in 1917: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-62W9-TQZ?i=175

    Judging by the presence and absence of néhai "the late", their father died sometime between 1904 and 1911, but the Hungarian genealogy society's (paywalled) index is not coughing up his death record.

    (Edited to correct link to little brother's marriage)

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 3, 2021 Answer ✓

    They're Lutheran, so there's no computer-searchable index, but armed with the date of birth from her marriage record, Anna Maria's birth/baptism wasn't hard to find. (The only complication is that the Deák square Lutheran church [where my parents were married in 1966] had two congregations, who each kept their own registers, and of course she was in the second one I tried.)

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS64-CFSH?i=271&cat=226848

    Film # 007993370 Image 272 of 667 (Budapest, Deák square Lutheran, German congregation, baptisms 1880 number 168)

    168. Born 30 Jul, Bapt. 8 Aug. 1880.

    Child: Anna Mária, female, legitimized by marriage [of mother] with János Salzer on 23 Oct. 1892.

    Parents: Mária Gunda*, born in Jaszeno, Liptó county, single, day-laborer. [Bottom margin:] *correctly: Kundek

    Residence: Budapest V. Katona József street 38.

    Godparents: István Kolozs, miller. Officiant: J. Schranz. Midwife: Amália Müller.

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    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS64-C9ZQ-Z?i=507&cat=226848

    Film # 007993371 Image 508 of 561 (Budapest, Deák square Lutheran, German congregation, marriages 1892 number 92)

    92. Oct. 23

    Groom: János Salzer, day-laborer, son of János Salzer and Anna Schönwiesner

    Birthplace and residence: Merény; Budapest V. Váczi road, Zarzeczky house

    Lutheran, age 37 years, single

    Bride: Mária Kundek, daughter of András Kundek and Anna Stevo

    Birthplace and residence: Jaszenova; Budapest V. Váczi road, Zarzeczky house

    Lutheran, age 36 years, single

    Witnesses: István Anzloch, stoker; János Filipek, day-laborer. Officiant: S. E. Doleschall. Announced.

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    The groom's birthplace was Merény, Szepes county, which was called Wagendrüssel or Vagendrüssel in German; it's now Nálepkovo, Slovakia.

    The bride is most likely from Jaszenova, Árva county (the next county north of Liptó), which is now Jasenová, Slovakia.

    FS has digitized microfilm of the Lutheran registers from both Merény (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/614108) and Jaszenova (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/760111), but unfortunately they both include 20th century records, so they're all privacy-restricted and not online. There are indexes associated with the images, but they're only coughing up a sister of the groom (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZSJ-GR3) and nothing for the bride. (The awful new search interface is Really Not Helping, but I can't tell how much of the problem is to its address.)

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 3, 2021 edited November 3, 2021 Answer ✓

    One of the girls in the photo is probably Mária, born 1883 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS64-CX54?i=349&cat=226848):

    285. Born 3, baptized 8 Dec.

    Child: Mária, female, illegitimate

    Parents: Mária Gunda*, born Jaszno, Liptó county, single, day-laborer

    Residence: Budapest VI. Ipolyi(?) street 4.

    Godparents: Mária Hrebena

    Officiant: J. Schranz, midwife: Mária Hrebena

    Remarks: *correctly Kundek. Legitimized by marriage [of mother] with János Saltzer^ on 23 Oct. 1892

    [bottom margin:] ^János Salzer's occupation: day-laborer, religion: Lutheran


    The other may be Terézia, born 1888 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS64-CXGW?i=463&cat=226848):

    254. Born 20, baptized 21 Oct.

    Terézia, female, illegitimate

    Parents: Mária Gunda, born in Árva, single, Lutheran

    Residence: Budapest VI Váczi road 1454

    Godparents: István Pachiha(?) day-laborer, Mária Vojsko, single

    Officiant: Doleschall, midwife: Scheuer.

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    However, given that the 1888 record is not corrected or amended, I wonder if the child died before the parents' marriage in 1892? If so, there's more searching for daughters to be done....

    Birth/baptism of youngest (Lajos), 1894 number 50: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS64-C61C?i=616&cat=226848

    I haven't turned up birth/baptisms for István Károly (whose marriage record gives a birthdate of 28 Oct. 1876) or for the János whose death record started this thread. There is an alphabetical name list on Film # 008520249, but given that there are three surnames to check for (Gunda, Kundek, Salzer), it doesn't appreciably speed things up.

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  • PatLev
    PatLev ✭
    October 16, 2021

    Burial info #3 and occupation #4 Thank you

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  • 1548FGB
    1548FGB mod
    October 18, 2021 edited October 18, 2021

    Hi,

    name of deceased: János Salzer

    date of death: 11 Augustus 1911, 3:15 AM

    occupation: ironworker's assistant

    died at 25

    There is no data about burial.

    Field No 8: parents' names

    cause of death: pulmonary tuberculosis

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  • PatLev
    PatLev ✭
    November 2, 2021 edited November 2, 2021

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have been searching for both Maria Kundek death and that of her daughter Anna Maria Salzer for years. I had been told Anna Maria passed in New Jersey but glad she made it back to Budapest. She had come to the US to care for her nieces and nephews when their mother passed and I can find her on a ships list and in 1910 and 1920 census then she disappears as does her husband Ferenc and daughter Maria. Now to search for little Lajos marriage. Now the family photo is making more sense. Only two daughters to ID. Pat Levinson

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  • PatLev
    PatLev ✭
    November 5, 2021

    Once again you have come through. I know which girl in the photo is Anna Maria as she brought to US a suitcase of potos most of which weren't labeled but it included her US passport photo and marriage photo so I can pick her out. Once I find the last daughter their birth order will fill in the blanks. Let me look for Istvan birth as I did get that while I was in Budapest City archives 5 years ago plus if I am lucky and my uncle didn't throw out his marriage certificate it gives his birthdate.

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  • PatLev
    PatLev ✭
    November 5, 2021

    Here is what I found on Lajos death and photos from suitcase. I am guessing by his birth order I have ID'd correctly.

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    Thanks Pat

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