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Does anyone know where I can find records of people emigrating to the US from what was the Russian Empire, but is now the Ukraine, through Japan via China, between 1911 and 1915? Google has failed me.
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Here's a suggestion: Join a research group which focuses on Ukraine.
https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/252-eastern-european-research
Also, this site may yield useful information:
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There are a number of databases available on FamilySearch and other websites (including Ellis Island records) for when immigrants arrived in the United States. I would very much doubt there would be detailed records of their departures (from Russia / Ukraine), still less to track their progress en route to the US.
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What I'm trying to find out, is the date that my cousin's family left the Ukraine. They were in Japan for a while, and we don't know if they went by boat from the Ukraine to Japan, or overland from the Ukraine through China, then took a boat from China to Japan.
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Looking at a map, it looks as though it would be a very indirect route to travel by boat from the Ukraine to China/Japan. Many foreigners ended up in Shanghai in China. I get the impression most travelled by the Trans Siberian Railway.
Probably not directly relevant, but the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Shanghai https://wiki.fibis.org/w/Shanghai has some accounts by Jewish refugees in Shanghai during WW2 which might give an indication how they travelled there.
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I know, from their immigration records, and family information, that they immigrated at Seattle WA via Kobe Japan. My cousin has a picture of his dad and aunt in Japanese dress, sitting on the front porch of their home in Japan, when they were small children, between when they left the Ukraine, and when they arrived in the US. They arrived in Seattle in early 1916.
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@Tammy Lynn Driver, it seems that your question boils down to: Are historical records available for Eastern Asia? Answer: Yes, and some are indexed. There are two starting points:
- FamilySearch research wiki, regional genealogy pages. Drill down in these pages until you get to links to specific collections. These are pages to read, not skim. https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Chinese_Genealogy
- FamilySearch historical record collections organized by geographic area. On the FS website go to the Search page and its global map to drill down into collections.
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Thanks
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For what it is worth, one of my German families in Eastern Europe turned up in a frontier mining town in eastern Siberia, then popped up in the northwestern United States. I tried to find their route through Asia but instead I found them enroute in New York State. It appears they took a train west to western Europe, crossed the Atlantic, and then took a train west. They traveled from a far eastern frontier to a far western frontier in less than 1 year even with small children.
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It was the large family group that confirmed I had the same people. Same names, birth years, birth places. I do surname studies so am usually working with large bunches of records not trying to trace one person. I devote almost all my time to tree building, not searching for records.
If your surnames are relatively rare, you could do the same.
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Gotcha. The family I'm researching is a family of 4, with a double-barrel surname, which I understand is extremely unusual in the Ukraine. There is no record of that surname anywhere in the Ukraine, including Kiev, where the stepfather was supposedly born, and their closest relative was listed as living on the ship's manifest, when they immigrated to the US.
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