How do I find information about my Fathers's family in Hungary? I do not recognize this name
Indexing tells me my Great Grandfather on my Father's side is Georgius Kerenyi, but I don't recognize the name and have no contact with anyone on that side of my family.
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Georgius would likely have been Catholic. "Georgius" is his name in Church Latin while in civil records his name would be György if he were Magyar, or Georg if he were German.
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OK, I get messages from "Indexing" saying a "Match" has been found and provides the name.
I live in Canada and have all of my life. My father "Kerenyi" separated from my mom "Toth" when I was 4. My father disappeared with my brother (9) at that time. Neither parent knew or had any information about our families and what I do know I found out when my mom & I went to Hungary when I was 17. Back then it never occured to me to get any contact information from the family members that my Aunt and Uncle introduced us to and both of them are also now dead. My cousin only kept in touch with her own children and knows nothing about our ancestors. My mom did tell me that when the were escaping from Hungary, all the memorabilia, photos, etc were destroyed in fear of causing death to anyone found with them by the enemy.
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Hello Marianna Eros,
Thank you for your question. Do you have information on your grandfather, that will allow you to know a location to search, and maybe some dates.
The article below may give you ideas for searching. The consultation, or Research Wiki, may be most helpful.
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/where-can-i-get-help-with-my-genealogy
There are also two Community groups you may wish join, who may be able to assist you with your search. They are :
Austro-Hungarian Empire group
FamilySearch Magyarorszag-Hungary
Good luck in finding out more about your great grandfather.
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Three things identify a person, Name, Birth/Marriage/Death date and place. There is a person named Georgius Kerényi LC29-JB2 in our FamilySearch Family Tree but without other identifying information we cannot tell if this is your person. We recommend that you go to Help (circle with ?) in upper right corner and follow the instructions in How to Do Family History https://www.familysearch.org/gettingstarted/ There are several links here to assist you in getting started.
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why did you say: "Indexing tells me my Great Grandfather"
what was it in indexing that led you to your grandfather
what was the specific source?
Why didn’t you say something like “Looking in my Family Tree – I see my Grandfather recorded as . . .”
Whats the story behind the indexing?
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Echoing the confusion of other commenters: what do you mean by "indexing tells me", and what makes you conclude that this Georgius Kerenyi is your ancestor?
I will point out that all three of the indexed collections in Hungary (Catholic baptisms, Reformed baptisms, and civil registrations) have images available, so you don't have to take the indexers' word for anything.
As for how to find information, the broad outline is always basically the same in genealogy: start with what you know and work your way back. The specifics, of course, depend greatly on the specifics. :-)
In Hungary, civil registration began on Oct. 1, 1895. Before that, vital records were the responsibility of churches. FamilySearch has online images of both civil and church registers, some of them indexed (see above), most of them not. The date ranges depend greatly on the specifics of place and religion.
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How do I go about doing what is recommended in this message?
There are also two Community groups you may wish join, who may be able to assist you with your search. They are :
Austro-Hungarian Empire group
FamilySearch Magyarorszag-Hungary
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Three things identify a person, Name, Birth/Marriage/Death date and place. There is a person named Georgius Kerényi LC29-JB2 in our FamilySearch Family Tree but without other identifying information we cannot tell if this is your person. We recommend that you go to Help (circle with ?) in upper right corner and follow the instructions in How to Do Family History https://www.familysearch.org/gettingstarted/ There are several links here to assist you in getting started.
How can I confirm anything if I have no knowledge of my ancestry because I have no contacts in Hungary that can provide any information and as I have explained previously, No one in my family knows anything about our ancestors so they cannot confirm anyone past my grandfather on the Toth family side who is also dead. There are no family records or photos or anything due to Wars.
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In all the information my family had, it appears that everyone lived in Hungary, but no one has any information past my Grandfather on my mother's side. We know nothing at all about my father's side.
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How can I confirm anything if I have no knowledge of my ancestry
First, know you are not alone here. Many, many people are here for the same reason you are.
Historical records will confirm your ancestry. You start with everyone else, with what you do know. You have many clues already. As you are looking for persons who may be living, I will message you privately in FamilyTree.
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@Marianna Eros, it's oft-repeated advice because it's true: start with what you know and work your way back.
(Editing because I just saw your post about being in Canada, so my US-centric advice doesn't apply. Dunno why that post didn't show before.)
It sounds like your parents were the immigrants, probably in 1956? The Arolsen Archives has some refugee lists and passenger lists from that time, and Ancestry has copies of some of the documents and indexes. If you can find your father in those records, they may provide a birthdate and birthplace. (The record for my dad gives religion, birthdate, and occupation, but not birthplace.)
As your father's daughter, you have the right to request his civil registry records in Hungary, but having never done it, I don't actually know how to go about it. (Sorry!)
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Please remember Hungary was destroyed by both world wars. There are no records left. We only have what information has been passed down by family members.
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How do I access these 2 groups?:
Austro-Hungarian Empire group
FamilySearch Magyarorszag-Hungary
Please remember Hungary was destroyed by both world wars. To my knowledge, there are no records left. We only have what information has been passed down by family members. There are no family records found by any family members.
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@Marianna Eros, on the contrary: there are tons of records left in Hungary, and a lot of them are also online on FamilySearch.
If you know the town, start with a gazetteer (such as https://web.archive.org/web/20160327224230/http://www.radixhub.com/radixhub/gazetteers/1913/) to find the location of the civil registry office, then check the FS Catalog, or use the waypointed Hungary Civil Registration collection to get to the relevant images. Some of the civil registrations have been indexed, so if your ancestors were from Budapest or from the Szabolcs county area, you can try searching the collection by name. (For all FS searches at this point, don't believe anything that the search results tell you about "where". Always check the image.)
If the events you're looking for predate civil registrations (which began on October 1, 1895), then you'll need to know the relevant religion as well as the location. Again, start with a gazetteer to find out where the church was, then look that up in the Catalog to get to the relevant images. A lot of the baptisms have been indexed, but again, you can no longer believe anything that Search - Records tells you about locations, so proceed with caution.
FamilySearch has also very recently (as in, in mid-July) published further indexes of church registers, covering other denominations and other events than the RC and Reformed baptisms that have been available in the past decade. The Catalog has not been updated with these new indexes, so it's hard to figure out what's included and what isn't.
If the events you're looking for are the other extreme: too recent to be public record, you'll need to explore other avenues. As I mentioned last year, the Arolsen Archives has some records related to 1956 refugees, as well as earlier Displaced Persons. [Why on Earth is the forum bleeping out the abbreviation of that??] You'll also need to be very thorough in turning up everything possible in Canada.
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Here is a quick search for given name Janos in Hungary, both exact: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&q.anyPlace=hungary&q.anyPlace.exact=on&q.givenName=Janos&q.givenName.exact=on
The result is almost 1.8 million records. This is just the records that FamilySearch has indexed; many more are not yet indexed. Here are the top 5 record collections:
Hungary, Catholic Church Records, 1636-1895
Hungary Reformed Church Christenings, 1624-1895
Hungary, Church Books, 1624-1950
Hungary Civil Registration, 1895-1980
In my own work I find many old Hungarian church records indexed as part of collections from Yugoslavia, Slovakia, and Croatia. In some cases FamilySearch has indexed the same infant baptism two or three times.
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Here is a quick search for given name Janos in Hungary appears to be an assumption. Only 1 family member has had that name and he only died in the last 5 years.
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Not an assumption, a demonstration.
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