Will a Big Y DNA test answer these two similar questions?
I have sent this query out to a number of people since RootsTech 2021 but no reply.
You could reply to my e-mail attached below - or this location - hope I can find my way back here.
Jerry
Gerard Mazerolle
1004 Riverdale Ave.
Cornwall, Ontario, K6J-2L4
613-935-8472
g_mazerolle@hotmail.com
This is a brief explanation of two questions I have related to 2 different lines in my Family Tree. In both cases I want to know Does the Mazerolle male gene pass from modern day through 2 different people known to be in the male Mazerolle line. Paper trails exist for the lines.
- It centers around the first known Mazerolle in Port Royal Nova Scotia in 1691. He was called Louis and was born about 1861. No one has ever found a paper trail that identifies his parents or place of origin.
- There is a family that came into New Amsterdam (now New York) in about 1663 with wife and child. He is called Jean Mesurole and there are descendants to this modern time.
- WOULD a “Y” chromozome DNA of say myself and a man from the NY line tell one if the Nova Scotia Man was a child of this Jean Mesurole in New Amsterdam?
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- Louis Mazerolle had a child Joseph who himself had a child Jean Mazerolle dit St Louisthis by his first wife. The French often have a “dit” name (alias or nick names). Some believe this Jean died young and another group that claims descent through him. They claim he (Jean) began using St Louis as a last name.. I am descended through Joseph's second marriage.
- Would a “Y” chromozome test of say myself , and someone claiming ancestry through Jean Mazerolle Dit St Louis prove Such St Louis claimants are descended from Louis 1661
- & Joseph 1711 Mazerolle ?
The pedigree is done for myself back to Louis .
Me – of Theadore of Edward of Luc of Edward of Nicholas of Mathurin of Joseph 1711 2nd marriage of Louis 1661.
I do not have the NY line in my head but it does exist in Family Search so that pedigree is done. It goes back to a Jean born about 1641 he came to NY about 1663. I do have the data in my research papers if needed
The pedigree is also done on a line of the St Louis (family name) from today to Jean Mazerolle b1741. I have not confirmed the source supplied to me by the local people for the crucial connection to Jean 1741. All else is fine , so far– It may be necessary for Covid to end before I can get access to The Quebec records they claim.
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You do not need to do the Big Y test. The Y-111 or Y-37 tests from FamilyTreeDNA should be sufficient. I once did the even more basic and cheaper Y-12 test (which is no longer offered), and had usable results.
If you test yourself and another potential/expected male-line relative, and you match, then you'll receive an estimate of the number of generations to the common male-line ancestor.
If there's no match, then either the theories about your 17th and 18th century ancestors are incorrect, or there's been a Non-Paternal Event (NPE) more recently.
The Big-Y test is aimed at those interested in the ancient history of their male lineage.
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@gmazerolle3926633, unfortunately you and this NY descendant, being just two probands, cannot answer the question you ask. For that, you would need what is called an outgroup and ideally also some ingroups, altogether many more than two probands. They frame the question and are very important. This is why Y-DNA studies and surname studies go hand in hand, because surname studies provide the opportunity to find more probands to enable analysis to address such specific questions.
So, I agree with @A van Helsdingen that you do not need the expensive test to start. You can start with just the two of you and the least expensive test. If the two of you do not match, your tree falls apart and your theory is disproved. End of story. If the two of you do match, however, your tree is not proved and you would then work to recruit more probands for first the same least expensive tests and maybe later more expensive tests.
These really are questions for DNA genealogy forums, not FamilySearch.
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To be clear, the question "is X the child of Y" is a far more specific and difficult question than "is X related to Y".
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You are welcome!
This is why the scientific method is to test and disprove hypotheses. Your initial hypothesis is you and the descendant of the NY Jean Mesurole are related. A small Y-DNA test will give you one of two answers: no, or maybe. That is a start in your DNA research program.
Your documentary research program perhaps is not done. You might explore doing a surname study. For that, the premier resource is the Guild of One Name Studies. You might do the surname study in Family Tree. The main reason to do it here is that Family Tree has outstanding identification of sound-alike and look-alike spelling variants. Many times the FT hints machine has found records despite horrendous mis-spellings. Also, on Family Tree it is easy to find collaborators.
Good luck with your researches.
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Hi @gmazerolle3926633. If you are curious about the results you have gotten through various DNA testing, please contact the site or company that did the testing. The following knowledge article which is in the FamilySearch Help Center explains that we don't work with DNA testing at FamilySearch though it is recognized as a wonderul.
If you go to the FamilySearch Help Center and just type: DNA Testing, we believe you will see over 300 results, and many of those results are Learning Center lessons which might help you find an answer to your question. One such lesson might be of interest:
In addition to the information in the FamilySearch Help and Learning Center, you are also welcome to search for a FamilySearch Community Group that discusses questions about DNA testing. If you click Groups at the left of the Community page, you can search for specific types of groups.
While we have not provided a specific answer to your specific concern, we hope the suggestions we have provided will help you as you continue your research regarding DNA testing.
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Thanks for the quick response CDBurk. Heartening after the long empty wait on other direct inquires.
As you know Big Y is expensive and that for 2 people Minimum in this case. Therefore I want to know before hand if the answer can be generated before we go down this road. I have probably watched all the basic DNA presentations in the last Rootstech 2021. Even with that I have no idea what detail is needed to look at male parentage at 7-10 generations back - The chances are slim that we would link to any males in any family line data base - is my guess but I do not know enough to assess the chances of resolving these issues in this Genetic way..
i am retired and on a pension - It is my desire to solve these questions if I can. i am trying to be wise and prudent. I have the paper trails back as far is apparently possible on three individuals on the three lines
That is the whole question .
Jerry
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I am so very sorry, that I cannot be of any real help/assistance.
Good Luck.
I hope this may help, somewhat.
Brett
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I just sent off a note of thanks to A van Helsdingen as i now have an expectation of an estimated crossover generation being revealed from a Y chromozone test.
Thank you A van Helsdingen for your reply and interest in my issue.
I will contact the local man to see how he feels about the process and hopefully get a possible answer to that question soon.
I will return when I have new information
Thanks so much
Jerry
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dontiknowyou I begin to understand. I see the difference at least in your "To Be clear statement
To answer any question one must begin - I can see that there is a direction in which to travel to arrive -possibly - at that point in the ocean.
Thank you all for the illumination
Jerry
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Thanks again for all the good suggestions.
Jerry
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