Searching for Patrick Cashin, Ireland, born 1787, emigrated about 1832, died in Granville WI 1879.

JoeKresse

I have good information about Patrick in the USA and his marriage to Catherine Kelley 1820-1881, but nothing about where they were born and lived in Ireland. I have found a US emigration index record for Patrick from 1832 with no detail. He worked on the Erie Canal until 1838, moved to Chicago, bought a homestead in Granville WI.

I would appreciate any help or suggestions.

Thanks,

Joe Kresse

kressej@gmail.com

anthonyphilipclarke1

Welcome to the Family Search Community and thank you for submitting your question regarding Patrick Cashin 1787-1879 and Catherine Kelly 1820-1881.We understand that you would like to find more information on both of them. As you may not be aware in Ireland all Civic records only go back as far as 1864 because anything before that date where burned and lost in our civil war,so we have to rely on Parish records and again we are limited to what is on record.But the good news is you can find information on Patrick Cashin and Catherine Kelly . If you go to Irish Catholic Parish Records 1655-1915 for Patrick Cashin or in Latin ( Patricius Cuchin) St. Munchins Parish 1784-1792 you will find information on him. For Catherine Kelly go to Irish Catholic Parish Registers 1655-1915 and again you will find her.All this can be got on Ancestry .com Ireland . I hope you are successful in your search and once again thank you for contacting Family Search. May you have great joy and happiness in your family Tree.

Elder Clarke European Support team Family Search

A van Helsdingen

To find a birth or baptism record for him, you'll need to know a more precise location. According to the website of John Grenham, a well-known Irish genealogist, at the time of the Griffith's Valuation around 1850, there were 83 families with their surnames Cashin. Patrick was such a popular name, so it'd be safe to say there were at least 10 Patrick Cashin's alive at the time. You cannot simply find a Patrick Cashin in the Catholic baptismal records and conclude that this was your ancestor.

There's also the complication that before 1828 most Catholic parishes didn't keep records in case they fell into the wrong hands and were used as evidence against Catholics at a time when Catholics faced persecution. So even if you find a Patrick Cashin in the records, there's no way of knowing if he actually was baptised at a parish that didn't keep records.

My suggestion is to look at naturalization records, vital records and obituaries in the US to try and find a more precise place of origin for him.

As an aside @anthonyphilipclarke1 , the 1922 fire at the National Archives during the civil war did not burn any civil registration records (they were stored elsewhere). The Irish government only started recording non-Catholic marriages in 1845 and births, deaths and marriages for everyone in 1864. It was the 1831-1851 census records that burned (with a few exceptions), along with 2/3 of Anglican records, most wills, most court/legal records and many other historical documents going back 1000 years.

JoeKresse

Thanks. I know the information I have is minimal. There was a statement by a grandson that said he came from Kilkenny, but I have no documentation beyond that.

I know there is an Applotment record I found: (Ireland Tithe Applotment Books, 1814-1855," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VX54-T64 : 23 February 2021), Patrick Cashin, ; citing Kilmacow, Grannyknock, Kilkenny, Ireland; Public Record Office, Dublin; FHL microfilm 256,645. 1824 ). I don’t know if this is the right person, but he is a farmer, it is 1824 and there are no records for him beyond that, he emigrated about 1832.

Does that help any? If the guy in Kilmacow had records beyond 1832, he’s not the one.

Thanks,

Joe

A van Helsdingen

As I mentioned two weeks ago, there were so many men named Patrick Cashin alive at any one time in Ireland. There were also 208 households with the name Cashen around 1850. So you cannot find a random Patrick Cashin and conclude he was your ancestor, without very strong evidence.

Unfortunately, Irish genealogy is very difficult due to both a lack of records and a lack of variety in names, and most people cannot trace further back than the early 19th century.