How to find a birth in Barony, Lanarkshire 1828 -1830
Have tried all the main big family history sites, even paid a researcher who did find my Gt Grandfather, who on enlisting 1853, stated his age as 24.5, and he was born in Barony, Lanarkshire. I cannot find his birth ANYWHERE.
Family story passed down the generations implied he came from Waterford area. Even went there, every other grave is a Michael Power! I do know some of his Military background, in India, and that his Father was a Michael Power also. He married a Mary Ann Carroll in India 11 June 1862, St Thomas Mount. Haven't even started with Mary Ann as her birth is vague, 1847 but her father is a John Carroll.
Michael & Mary Ann had 3 children in India, Charles 1865 -1868, Michael 1867-1931 and Agnes who became a Nun, 1872
Any bright ideas will be gratefully received.
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Have you tried Rootschat website? The forum members are very helpful and may be able to help. 😀
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Thanks for the reply, no I haven't tried Rootschat, but I will as I am running out of ideas. Appreciated the help
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According to the FamilySearch research wiki, FamilySearch has a lot of historical records for that time period and place:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Barony,_Lanarkshire,_Scotland_Genealogy
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Thanks to Julia I did post on Rootschat, and was amazed to get replies so quickly and with such help.
One reply so far has given the same death as I had found. But my first post only gave vague information, I have now posted Marriage and children, plus regiments, all of which I have proof.
Waiting to see what comes back at me. But thank so much for the suggestion, IGI was the first forum I have posted the question on, and did so with little expectation.
Who knows now................
Penny
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I happen to have an ancestor from Waterford who joined the British army and fought in India, during the 1850s. I wonder if there was confusion about the word "Barony". In Ireland, a "barony" is a traditional subdivision, somewhat akin to a "sub-county". Each county was on average divided into 10 or 11 baronies. Baronies were used for a number of administrative purposes in the 19th century.
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Hello, That is very interesting, and I shall follow it up as the family 'story' was that he was born in Waterford - somewhere!!!!
His army attestation papers are the ones that state Barony, Glasgow as his place of birth, but I am a bit stuck as apart from knowing his father was another Michael I have no details on his Mother.
My thanks for raising that point. I had never heard of the expression Barony before. It is amazing what researching family history can teach you!!
Penny
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You need to take into account that the information on the enlistment application may not be correct. Some men were genuinely vague about the date or place they were born, while some men were hoping to start a new life in the Army and deliberately provided false details. The recruiting sergeants got (I think) a bonus for men they recruited, so there was a financial incentive for them to encourage men to provide more acceptable details.
Regarding the marriage in India, the most likely background for the wife Mary Ann is for her to be the daughter of another soldier, possibly serving in the same regiment. Many brides also came from military orphan schools.
St Thomas' Mount was a cantonment (Garrison town) near Madras https://wiki.fibis.org/w/St_Thomas%27_Mount
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As far as Scottish births are concerned, I have generally found that if they cannot be found at ScotlandsPeople they (at least the actual birth entries) cannot be found elsewhere.
I have many records of Scottish relatives I cannot trace. Although, pre-1855, births (often exactly recording that, rather than baptisms) are usually "easier" to find than marriages and burials, I have been advised there were many groups that broke away from the established Presbyterian Church and whose records have just not survived.
As in England, I imagine non-conformist congregations were often too small to have a formal set-up and even had their meetings in the houses of members.
With my own relatives, I have made many attempts over the years to trace their "missing events", but feel it highly unlikely that I will have any success, given the generally "patchy" nature of record keeping in Scotland prior to the introduction of civil registration in 1855.
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Thank you Paul and Maureen E123
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Wikipedia has a page about Scottish baronies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barons_in_Scotland
Birth and death records usually recorded the parish, however, and as already established there is a civil parish named Barony in Lanarkshire.
I have found a lot of family history based on rather sketchy genealogical research and "intuition" not historical records or fact. Military records are especially good sources of fact.
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My mother and father were both forces and married in India. their marriage is recorded in Government house New Delhi. It is not recorded in the GRO (General register office) Could they perhaps help you. It may be worth a try. My mother was from Glasgow. Good luck, hope this helps
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Gosh so much food for thought!!
Thank you all
Penny
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