Marriage records from Italy

jfseggar

When there are two dates at the top which is the one that is the actual marriage date .It doesn't seem to me that the second one

in this instance is the date of the marriage. If it is then we have hundreds of marriages on the 26 May 1921 and 29 Nov 1920.

See batch M9c3-CFS

Dellory Matthews

I got a message saying access restricted, which really puzzles me since I do Italian records every day.

Perhaps you returned the batch?

At any rate, if no one else can see it, the easiest solution might be to simply return it.

Susan Ann Mullen

In the Project Instructions, What to Remember about this Project, bullet point 4, we read: "Many records show multiple dates, including birth, marriage, and death dates as well as registration dates. Pay close attention, in particular, not to confuse the registration dates and the other event dates"

To me that indicates that there may be more than one date given but that the date could be a registration date not a marriage date. You indicated that many of those marriages had a date listed that would have been a lot of marriages on one date if that was a marriage date. Doesn't that sound like it is more likely a registration date than a marriage date?

Dellory Matthews

@annewandering Were you able to open the batch?

What is needed is someone who can both open the batch and who indexes in Italian. These records can be quite complicated, especially if written longhand. They include not only original records, but sometimes amendments and transcriptions from other sources.

(Every Italian Civil record has 2 dates - a recording date and an event date.)

Susan Ann Mullen

I was able to open the batch yes. Not sure why you were not able to do that? Maybe delete your FamilySearch cookies? I agree about the Italian. In fact the popup as you go into the batch basically tells the indexer to please not index it if they do not know Italian. I used to do Italian extraction and it was very difficult because I do not speak Italian.

Even so the Project Instructions look to be useful in this case.

Dellory Matthews

I deleted my FS cookies and it didn't make a difference.

Susan Ann Mullen

@Dellory Matthews We found this information that might be helpful. The custodians of this particular record may have put certain restrictions on those records that prevent you from viewing them at this time.

• "A restriction is in place that prevents you from viewing the images. An example of this would be a contract between FamilySearch and the custodian of the records that allows only people living in a specific country to index the records. This should not normally happen, but periodically projects show up by mistake that you do not have access to. "

https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/why-do-i-get-an-error-message-when-i-try-to-open-a-batch-for-indexing

Melissa S Himes

I can't open the batch either. I get the Access Restricted. Probably nothing to do with cookies since it isn't an error message. Maybe if @jfseggar provides the project title someone could download another batch and see if that is helpful. I would look at the examples, the field helps, in addition to the project instructions.

Susan Ann Mullen

@Melissa S Himes Italia (Antenati Italiani), Roma—Stato Civile, 1867–1929 [Parte D][M9C3-CFS]

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Melissa S Himes

Thanks Anne. I was able to download a batch from the project, although it doesn't have two dates, just 4 marriage certificates. So, the project is not restricted. It is unfortunate that Dellory can't see this particular batch. Italian indexing is in her wheelhouse, not mine. I'm curious about the wording "hundreds of marriages on 26 May 1921" - is this batch an index of marriages?

The field help for the marriage date may shed some light:

Type the one- or two-digit number for the marriage day. The marriage date was often written in the first few lines of the record.

Do not include zeros written at the beginning of a number. For example, "03" would be typed as 3.

In this project, do not index records of banns (or public announcements of marriages), indexes, or attachments. Index only records of actual marriages.

The terms "suddetto," "oggi," "d'oggi," and so on indicate that the date was recorded earlier in the document. They often indicate that the marriage day was the same as the registration day.

If the day was not recorded or was written as a variation of the word "unknown," press Ctrl+B to mark this field blank.

Sorry, not much help without being able to view the batch.