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Certain Records at Slovakia Church and Synagogue Books, 1592-1935 Unavailable

JosephBorkowski
JosephBorkowski ✭
July 13, 2021 in Search

The records found at the following path will not open. Error message that they are temporarily unavailable has been popping up for over two weeks.

Path: Slovakia Church and Synagogue Books, 1592-1935 > Roman Catholic (Rímsko-katolícká cirkev) . Giraltovce > Kračúnovce > Baptisms, marriages, deat...elstvá, úmrtia) 1889-1895

Thank you for help.

Joe B.

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    July 13, 2021

    It looks like another item on that film has caused the whole thing to be removed from online access, very likely in order to comply with privacy laws. It's film number 4405909, on which item 1 is the Kračúnovce 1889-1895 RC records that you're looking for, but items 3 to 6 are Greek Catholic records from Krásny Brod that include baptisms to 1945, which is definitely not within Slovakia's allowed time period. (I believe they do 100 years across the board.)

    FamilySearch's lazy, all-or-nothing approach to privacy compliance needs to change, but I don't know who to complain to.

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  • RIPoole
    RIPoole ✭✭
    July 15, 2021

    We wanted to look at the restrictions, so went to the Catalog to find the records you are looking for a different way. This is the page we found: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/728167?availability=Family%20History%20Library

    It is film 1792771 Item 1. Usually, you see a camera that you can click on to view the film. In this case, we can tell that the film has been digitized because it has a DGS number, but we see a microfilm reel instead. This means that it can’t be viewed online at all. This article explains:

    Why is no camera icon showing for a digitized microfilm in the catalog?

    This article explains what you are seeing on the Catalog page:

    What are Notes or Film/Digital Notes in the catalog?


    In response to the previous answer, we don’t know exactly why this film is restricted, other than that we are following the instructions of the owning organization. It may or may not be that only part of the film has a privacy issue, but at present, FamilySearch has no way to restrict only part of a film. We apologize for the inconvenience that these restrictions cause, but they are necessary so that we can maintain the trust of those we partner with. 

    Why are there access restrictions on Historical Records?

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  • A van Helsdingen
    A van Helsdingen ✭✭✭✭✭
    July 15, 2021

    I wouldn't characterize FS's approach to privacy and film restriction as "lazy", but it is definitely inefficient and blocking access to millions of records. To break-up films by items during the digitization of their collection would have been far too slow- they would have to check each film individually and review the contracts and privacy laws. I think FS should have an on-demand "film break-up" service where people can request that films be broken up by items. Obviously, this would need to be subject to strict limits on how many films a user can request to be broken up and bans for those who abuse the service. This would free up literally millions or even tens of millions of images.

    One example I've mentioned before is an unusual case relating to a German Catholic church book from Rheinberg. The Catholic Diocese let FS film it in 1993, but FS had this book put on the same film as Protestant records. Since that date, the records for some reason have been transferred to a city archive. Now the film has been digitized, but due to the Protestant records on the same film can be made available only to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The city archive has no plans to digitise the records.

    If the film was broken up, the Catholic records would be available from FHCs and Affiliate Libraries. So now, non-LDS genealogists have to wait for the long-promised film breaking up project at FS to be able to view the records. It is ironic that Catholic genealogists like myself cannot view these records of our own faith but Latter Day Saints can.

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  • MaureenE123
    MaureenE123 ✭✭✭✭
    July 15, 2021

    FamilySearch definitely has the ability to split films. You can see how this has been done for SOME (definitely not ALL) films if you view the different format accessed through the Family Search catalog https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog and the Advanced Search for Explore Historical Images https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/ then click through to the advanced Search where you can search by DGS Number.

    I think the suggestion by A van Helsdingen that there be an on-demand "film break-up" service where people can request that films be broken up by items" is a good one, and suggest that this suggestion be added in the Ideas Section.

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