Filtering Search Results
I was trying to do a search of the books on the website, but the ones that came up were almost all protected, so I couldn't see if they had the information I needed. The ones that weren't, didn't contain a listing for the specific person I was searching for, which was Major-General Pavel Nikolaevich Veselovsky. There needs to be a way to filter search results, so that the exact name being searched for is the only one that comes up in the results.
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@Tammy Lynn Driver, many individuals who immigrated to the United States used an Americanized version of their name. I believe this is true of your ancestor, Pavel Veselovsky.
Doing a simple name search after reading the Wikipedia article you provided the link for allowed me to use his death location, Hollywood, California, United States, to see if any sources might be easy to find. The following URL may be a clue to the naturalization record of your ancestor and might be of interest to you. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-F398-42?i=2650&cc=1849628&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKX3B-Z68
In response to your original question, we always appreciate suggestions that help guests who are trying to do research at FamilySearch. It is helpful to understand what you can filter when you are searching for Books in the digital library. The following knowledge article from our Help Center explains that you can filter by Creator, Subject, Language, Owning Institution or Access Level when you are using the Digital Library. These are the types of filters that are usually the most helpful for finding a specific book. Please review the article.
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I did a search on Pavel Veselovsky using Google Search and it lead me to the following article:
It had information on Pavel and his 4 sons.
Searching FamilySearch historical records with just the last name Veselovsky whether in Books or Catalog yields few results on people with that last name and none that were the General.
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This is the Pavel Veselovsky I was referring to. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BB_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
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That's the wrong Pavel Veselovsky. This is Major-General Pavel Veselovsky https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BB_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
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@CDBurk This is his record at findagrave. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6415258/paul-n.-veselovsky I'm looking for information on his parents. Nikolai (Nicholas) J Veselovsky and Anastasia Glovatskaya (Glovatsky is the English spelling) Nikolai was a priest, and they never left the Ukraine, as far as I'm aware. This is why I'm trying to find information on the General under the Ukrainian/Russian spelling of his name. From what I was told, he was the uncle of my cousin's grandmother https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85439400/sophia-michaelovna-kell. If he's related to me, it's extremely distant.
I've already found his, and Kontantin Lisicin's immigration and Naturalization records, as well as Census and some newspaper articles in the US. Konstantin was a cousin of the General, and was called Connie by the family, from what I was told. He died in the 70's.
I didn't meet the cousin I'm helping with research until 2014.
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go on ancestry. much easier to search and more records to find on that website. just hit the first record you see. then everything on the first half of the right column is most likely the person you are looking for.
However FamilySearch's family tree on easiness to use and understand, and security is far superior in my opinion. I usually do research on ancestry mainly and some on FamilySearch. Then I just add that information to my FamilySearch Account. Guarunteed if you cant find it on Ancestry, 99% of the time you wont find it on FamilySearch.
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Ok, thanks. I'll look there.
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I had a look on ancestry, but there's no information on the family there. I even translated the names into Russian! The birth and marriage records for the Ukraine for the period of 1880-1915 for Kharkov and Vinnytsia aren't there.
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@Michael Davis Penney wrote a couple of weeks ago:
Guarunteed if you cant find it on Ancestry, 99% of the time you wont find it on FamilySearch.
I would say this is exactly backwards for the area of the world I work in (primarily the Kingdom of Hungary and its successor states): yes, Ancestry has copies of FS's indexes, but their search is counter-intuitive, their presentation is so paywalled as to be utterly useless (like, would it kill them to tell me the date?), and the unindexed registers are browsable as images on FS, not on Ancestry.
And speaking of unindexed registers, @Tammy Lynn Driver, have you tried checking the FS Catalog for the person's birthplace in Ukraine? If it was a smaller place, you'll actually want to start with a gazetteer, which should be able to tell you where the churches were, and where those churches reported to, because the vital records are likely cataloged under one of those places. But be forewarned that the Ukrainian government has never exactly been genealogy-friendly; a lot of records have been lost, and very little of what's left has been made available online.
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What is a gazetteer?
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A gazetteer is a type of reference book concerned with places and geographical administration. There are various ways of arranging them; some are alphabetical by placename, regardless of jurisdiction, i.e. they'll list every community within a country, then give things like county, population, churches, railways, and post offices. Others are organized by county and district, and then alphabetically within that (and yes, this is a bit of chicken-and-egg: you can't know which county it's in without knowing which county it's in, unless there's a good index).
For places that were in one of the Austrian crown lands, the Gemeindelexicon of 1900 is useful, if a bit unwieldy (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/218291). For places that were in the Kingdom of Hungary, the Central Statistics Office's Library has a good collection of official gazetteers (http://konyvtar.ksh.hu/index.php?s=kb_statisztika#kb_statisztika_helysegnevtarak). For places that were in Russia, I haven't a clue, because I can't read the Cyrillic alphabet.
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Ok, thanks. Those won't really help, unless they're in English, and are searchable. Tulchyn and Kharkov are both large cities.
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I finally found Konstantin, his brother, sister-in-law, and niece. The surname was spelled wrong! It's Lisicin on everything except Konstantin's death record, which has it spelled Lisitzen. 🤬
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