Possible FAULT / FLAW (Maybe by DESIGN). DEATH Record, for LIVING. UNABLE to ADD a REASON STATEMENT
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Subject:ย ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐ / ๐ ๐๐๐ ( ๐๐๐ฒ๐๐ ๐๐ฒ '๐๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ง' ). "๐๐๐๐ญ๐ก" ๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐, ๐๐จ๐ซ "๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ". ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐๐ ๐ "๐๐๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ง ๐๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ"
[ Submitted in the "Topics" of, BOTH, "Family Tree"; and, "General User Interface" ]
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I have an individual/person, in my "Private Spaces", who I have CURRENTLY "Retained" as "Living"; as, I am still trying to CONFIRM their "Death".
I am 90% certain, that they are "Dead" (in fact, way back in 1986); but, I am JUST trying to CONFIRM the "Death"; as, in the case for this person, in the particular locality, corroborating records for such, are NOT always readily available (especially, 'On-Line'); and, I DO NOT have the 'Funds' (or, the need) to obtain a ("Full") "Copy" of this particular "Death Registration", which I believe refers; but, unfortunately, the BASIC information in the "Index" of the "Death Registration" is INSUFFICIENT to make a informed choice.
As such, I wanted to ADD some information/details (ie. "Text") to the 'Reason This Information Is Correct:' part of the "Death" Record for this "Living" individual/person, particularly as a 'Note'/'Reference'; BUT, unfortunately, I CANNOT.
When, I have input my information/details (ie. "Text"); and, then, select, "Save", I am present with this ... "Conundrum" ... INACCURACY ...
Quote:
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Request to Mark Person as Living
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Warning
You are attempting to change this person's status from deceased to living. A reason for this request is required before this status change will be reviewed. Until that review occurs, this person will be shown as deceased. If the status change is approved, you will be notified by e-mail.
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How do you know this person is alive?
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Submit ... Cancel
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I am NOT trying to "Request to Mark Person as Living" ...
I am NOT trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased", which is what I am presented with by the "System", which in itself, would INITIATE a "Support" Case.ย
I am simply wanting/trying to ADD some information/details (ie. "Text") to the 'Reason This Information Is Correct:'.
Here are the "Screenshots" of the aforementioned action:
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Wanting to add a "Reason Statement" in the 'Reason This Information Is Correct:'
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Add the "Text'; and, the "Save" appears ... all good ... so far ...
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But ... NO ... the "System" has got it WRONG ... I am NOT trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased"
What a ... "Conundrum" ... INACCURACY ...
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Perhaps, the INABILITY, to ADD a "Reason Statement", to a "Living" individual/person, WAS by "Design", by 'FamilySearch' ...
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That said ...
My perception, is that the INABILITY, to ADD a "Reason Statement", to a "Living" individual/person, is a FAULT / FLAW.
There is also the matter, of the "System", 'believing'/'thinking', that I am try to trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased", by simply adding a "Reason Statement", when, in fact, I am NOT - this ALSO seems to be a "Related" FAULT / FLAW.
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In light of the aforementioned ...
I hereby formally request, an enhancement, to the "System" of "Family tree" of 'FamilySearch', to EANABLE the ABILITY to be able to ADD a "Reason Statement" ( ie. 'Reason This Information Is Correct:' ) for/against "Living" individuals/persons, in our "Private Spaces", in "Family tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
And ...
As an aside ...
I suggest that you address/fix the related fault/flaw, in that, when a "Reason Statement" ( ie. 'Reason This Information Is Correct:' ) is ADDED for/against a "Living" individual/person; so that, the "System" DOES NOT 'believe'/'think', that we are trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased".
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Humbly submitted for your, information; attention; and, consideration.
'Thank You' in advance.
Kinds regards.
MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU IN THIS IMPORTANT WORK.
Yours Faithfully,
Brett
Comments
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Data Administration
[ ie. particularly regarding, Design; and, Development ]
Question: Can you please advise of the 'Status' aforementioned suggested enhancement?
I fully understand that:
(1) there are COUNTLESS suggested enhancements; and,
(2) many such suggested enhancements may not yet have even been considered; and,
(3) there are, MANY, Many, many, competing priorities in "Family Tree" (&, Other Parts) of 'FamilySearch; and.
(4) there are "Very" LIMITED Resources available to 'FamilySearch'; and,
(2) there can be no time frame for when enhancements may be implemented.
But ...
That Said ...
Even WITHOUT any 'Comments' ...
A 'Status' change, from "NEW", to the likes of,
โฌ (in the queue) "Awaiting Consideration"
โฌ (unfortunately) "Considered; but, Unable To Do"; or,
โฌ (worse, unfortunately) "Considered; but, Rejected"; or,
โฌ "Under Consideration"; or,
โฌ (best of all) "Under Construction",
would be much better than NOTHING at all.
At least, such would give Users/Patrons a modicum of hope ...
[ Or, not - at least, maybe, put them out of their misery ... ]
'Thank You' in advance.
Resubmitted for your, information; attention; and, consideration.
MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU IN THIS IMPORTANT WORK.
Kind Regards
Yours Faithfully
Brett
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I'm afraid I don't see this as a specific problem, Brett. The only place where a reason statement can be placed against a Vital - which does not have a date or place inputted - is when the Death field has "Deceased" against it.
I have often wished to show a reason statement against another "date unknown" Vital, but the Death section is the exception rather than the rule, with regard to this issue.
Just to illustrate, even if I am virtually certain about the burial information, I have to add that detail in the Death field for it to "stick" and be clearly highlighted to other users. For example, say I'm 90% certain of my relative's burial date (and/or place): I still cannot make an input in the appropriate section of Vitals, so (as many users don't think to look in the Collaboration section for my notes) I just place the note close-by, against the Death reason statement.
I would back your suggestion, with the proviso that reason statements should be allowed against all Vitals (that have no dates) - for Living and Deceased individuals.
(BTW - I have a "Living" relative with a very similar issue to yours. He was born in 1911 and I am certain he died - in Canada - in childhood, but can only find the deaths / burials of his parents and six siblings! I have created a Note in his Collaboration section titled, "Death of ---- -----" to remind me of the searches I have undertaken in an effort to trace the "elusive death".)
The Death field (for assumed Deceased individuals) is the only place in Vitals where we can add a reason statement, when we have made no date / place inputs:
(Above is a made-up example - not actual dates / places)
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As I have stated above, I do add such notes. However, in messages received from other users, it has been made clear some never check Collaboration, Life Sketch, or even Sources sections. When a vitals event cannot be found, what could be clearer than to add a note alongside (in the reason statement box), giving a brief explanation of why no input has been made. For example, for my ancestor born in Monkwearmouth, Durham in the 1780s: "Baptism probably at Monkwearmouth c1785, but parish records for period destroyed in fire". This would make it easier to discourage another user from entering data relating to an individual of similar identity, whose baptism they had located at a neighbouring parish.
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