Possible FAULT / FLAW (Maybe by DESIGN). DEATH Record, for LIVING. UNABLE to ADD a REASON STATEMENT
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Subject: 𝐏𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐅𝐀𝐔𝐋𝐓 / 𝐅𝐋𝐀𝐖 ( 𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐛𝐲 '𝐃𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐧' ). "𝐃𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡" 𝐑𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 "𝐋𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠". 𝐔𝐍𝐀𝐁𝐋𝐄 𝐭𝐨 𝐀𝐃𝐃 𝐚 "𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭"
[ Submitted in the "Topics" of, BOTH, "Family Tree"; and, "General User Interface" ]
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𝐁𝐀𝐂𝐊𝐆𝐑𝐎𝐔𝐍𝐃
I have an individual/person, in my "Private Spaces", who I have CURRENTLY "Retained" as "Living"; as, I am still trying to CONFIRM their "Death".
I am 90% certain, that they are "Dead" (in fact, way back in 1986); but, I am JUST trying to CONFIRM the "Death"; as, in the case for this person, in the particular locality, corroborating records for such, are NOT always readily available (especially, 'On-Line'); and, I DO NOT have the 'Funds' (or, the need) to obtain a ("Full") "Copy" of this particular "Death Registration", which I believe refers; but, unfortunately, the BASIC information in the "Index" of the "Death Registration" is INSUFFICIENT to make a informed choice.
As such, I wanted to ADD some information/details (ie. "Text") to the 'Reason This Information Is Correct:' part of the "Death" Record for this "Living" individual/person, particularly as a 'Note'/'Reference'; BUT, unfortunately, I CANNOT.
When, I have input my information/details (ie. "Text"); and, then, select, "Save", I am present with this ... "Conundrum" ... INACCURACY ...
Quote:
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Request to Mark Person as Living
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Warning
You are attempting to change this person's status from deceased to living. A reason for this request is required before this status change will be reviewed. Until that review occurs, this person will be shown as deceased. If the status change is approved, you will be notified by e-mail.
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How do you know this person is alive?
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Submit ... Cancel
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I am NOT trying to "Request to Mark Person as Living" ...
I am NOT trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased", which is what I am presented with by the "System", which in itself, would INITIATE a "Support" Case.
I am simply wanting/trying to ADD some information/details (ie. "Text") to the 'Reason This Information Is Correct:'.
Here are the "Screenshots" of the aforementioned action:
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Wanting to add a "Reason Statement" in the 'Reason This Information Is Correct:'
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Add the "Text'; and, the "Save" appears ... all good ... so far ...
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But ... NO ... the "System" has got it WRONG ... I am NOT trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased"
What a ... "Conundrum" ... INACCURACY ...
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𝐏𝐄𝐑𝐂𝐄𝐈𝐕𝐄𝐃 𝐅𝐀𝐔𝐋𝐓 / 𝐅𝐋𝐀𝐖
Perhaps, the INABILITY, to ADD a "Reason Statement", to a "Living" individual/person, WAS by "Design", by 'FamilySearch' ...
But ...
That said ...
My perception, is that the INABILITY, to ADD a "Reason Statement", to a "Living" individual/person, is a FAULT / FLAW.
There is also the matter, of the "System", 'believing'/'thinking', that I am try to trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased", by simply adding a "Reason Statement", when, in fact, I am NOT - this ALSO seems to be a "Related" FAULT / FLAW.
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𝐒𝐔𝐆𝐆𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐄𝐃 𝐄𝐍𝐇𝐀𝐍𝐂𝐄𝐌𝐄𝐍𝐓 𝐑𝐄𝐐𝐔𝐄𝐒𝐓
In light of the aforementioned ...
I hereby formally request, an enhancement, to the "System" of "Family tree" of 'FamilySearch', to EANABLE the ABILITY to be able to ADD a "Reason Statement" ( ie. 'Reason This Information Is Correct:' ) for/against "Living" individuals/persons, in our "Private Spaces", in "Family tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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As an aside ...
I suggest that you address/fix the related fault/flaw, in that, when a "Reason Statement" ( ie. 'Reason This Information Is Correct:' ) is ADDED for/against a "Living" individual/person; so that, the "System" DOES NOT 'believe'/'think', that we are trying, to "Change" the 'Status', of the individual/person, from "Living", to "Deceased".
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Humbly submitted for your, information; attention; and, consideration.
'Thank You' in advance.
Kinds regards.
MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU IN THIS IMPORTANT WORK.
Yours Faithfully,
Brett
Comments
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I understand your frustration, but it is even more frustrating for a person who has someone living on their tree and someone else has marked them diseased. I have at least two people on my tree, an Uncle and a cousin who are both marked deceased. I did not add them to my tree, someone else did, and there are no dates provided for them. I have tried at least twice to change my Uncle from deceased to living with no luck. And yes, I know he’s still alive as I was speaking with him a couple of hours ago.
I feel that if you are going to mark someone deceased, you should have to at least provide a date if they are less that 100years old.
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Shelley
'Thank You' for your response.
But ...
That said ...
This is NOT a matter of 'frustration'...
This is a matter of, what I suggest, is a Fault/Flaw in the "System".
Unfortunately, the situation to which you refer, has NOTHING to do with, is NOT related to, the matter that I have raised.
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You are NOT alone.
Many of us has had similar situations.
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Pleas be aware ...
We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.
We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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And, to address what you raised ...
IF, you had an individual/person, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch", in your "Ancestral" Lines, recorded as "Living"; THEN, please be aware that ONLY 'You' would 'see' that "Living" individual/person; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces" - NO Other User/Patron can 'see' that "Living" individual/person.
Whereas ...
IF, you had ANOTHER User/Patrons enters the SAME individual/person, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch"; and, recorded them as "Deceased"; THEN, that is ANOTHER matter entirely.
Now ...
IF, it can be PROVED that, BOTH, the "Living" individual/person that reside in your "Private Spaces"; and, the "Deceased" individual/person added by the Other User/Patron, ARE, the SAME person; THEN, you have some Options:
[ And, this is what is supposed to be able to happen ... ]
▬ You can BEGIN the process, of "Changing" the 'Status', of that currently "Deceased" individual/person, to "Living"
[ In this case, it will "Create" a "Support" Case; where, if 'FamilySearch' agrees, they will "Change" the 'Status'; which, will "Move", the NOW "Living" individual/person, to the "Private Spaces", of the Other User/Patron ]
▬ You can 'Message' the Other User/Patron, advising them that the "Deceased" individual/person, that they have entered, is ACTUALLY still "Living"; and, request that they "Change" the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living".
Failing any (reasonable) response or action; as, requested in that SECOND Option
▬ You can INITAITE that FIRST Option.
[ I have been there, done that - it worked ... ]
IF, as you indicate, that is NOT happening; THEN, you SHOULD raise a "Support" Case, on the matter, with 'FamilySearch'.
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Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch'
How do I change the status from deceased to living in Family Tree?
How does Family Tree determine whether a person is living or deceased?
Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree
Why does a person in my Family Tree private space have multiple contributors?
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As to you last comment ...
'Yes' ...
IF, a User/Patron 'Enters', an individual/person, who was Born LESS than (at least) 110 (preferably, 120 or 130) Years ago; and, the User/Patron DOES NOT have (or, is NOT aware of) a 'Date' of "Death"; THEN, the User/Patron SHOULD make that individual's/person's 'Status' as "Living".
But ...
That said ...
The old proverb ...
'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
is quite appropriate here ...
Although, they should, Users/Patrons will NOT always do so; and, you CANNOT make/force them.
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Just some thoughts.
Brett
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FamilySearch
Resurrected ...
Any thoughts ...
Is such, possibly, "Under Consideration" ...
Brett
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