Hi I would like to index marriages and deaths in Hungary, as they havent been done yet (only births
And the other question is, why is there no automatic project for each unindexed database in every country?
Regards
Zoltan Almasi
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Hello Zoltan! It is great that you want to start a project. However, there is no way to do that at this time. Someday we may get that chance, but, for now indexing projects go through many steps before they can be indexed. There are currently 3 Hungarian language projects that need help!
Magyarország, Budapest—Polgári anyakönyvek, I–XIII. Kerület, 1895–1973 [E rész]
Magyarország, Budapest—Polgári anyakönyvek, kerület I–XIII, 1895–1973 [A. rész]
Magyarorszag—Zsidó élet regiszterek, 1800–1945 [C resz]
These projects all seem to have marriage, birth, and death records. You would access these by clicking on Web-Indexing and the Find Batches. If you are looking at the Find a Project area, you will not see all the projects that are available for indexing.
Here is a link about requesting projects for indexing that will further explain why we can't create our own projects. https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/can-i-make-an-indexing-request-for-records
I will share your question with the @Indexing Chat group where there are indexers and reviewers working on all different language projects.
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there a lot of "set up" and configuration - before an indexing project even gets off the ground - that takes the coordination of an entire group of people.
because of that - its not like one person you can just pick and choose. . .
BUT I do wonder how one can "highly recommend" a given set of records to the "powers that be" who set up the projects.
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According to the links, no person or society can make these recommendations. Here's the other link to society requests.
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/can-our-society-make-indexing-project-requests
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well, thats totally disappointing. I am 100% happy what they have already done but now its going nowhere. Its just weird to read that there are no resources to start a project? Literally, you DONT need to do anything but provide data to process, a database to work to, and let the people work. How hard can it be? WHAT IS IT? marriage HUSBAND? X WIFE? Y YEAR? MMMM PLACE? AAAA OTHER PERSONS ON RECORD? XYZ
DONE. NEXT. I think there is some control freak stuff is going on here.
Anyway, I see that not much will happen in the following years by the sound of it.
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Why not just work on the three projects that I shared above @ZoltanAlmasi ZoltanAlmasi ? I don't know what the backlog is on the Hungarian language projects, but, any help on foreign language projects is greatly appreciated. I'm fairly certain the process is alot more complicated than you can imagine - contracts to negotiate, teams who travel to digitize the documents, project managers who study the records and write the project instructions, missionaries who put the images into batches, indexers and reviewers who volunteer to create the indexes, missionary teams who scrub the data and prepare it for final publication, not to mention the programmers and engineers who keep the program running.
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totally agree - it involves the coordination of numerous people and departments and numerous resources that all have to be tightly coordinated together - none of whom can just work independently.
Thats the main reason they dont even accept suggestions.
That being said - - some people have come up with "indexing" LIKE projects - that are totally outside of the domain of FS - and thus can be controled and executed - totally outside of the rigid structure of FS Indexing,
The Family Bible Preservation Project - is one such example, of collecting, transcribing, indexing, tagging, and preserving family bible records and making sure they are tagged to the corresponding person in Family Search Family Tree. Because they are independent - they can operate totally outside of the limitations of FS Indexing - - But even then - dont think its simple or easy . . .
Here is some info on the Family Bible Preservation Project.
http://yanceyfamilygenealogy.org/genealogical_service_project.htm
Where there is a will there is a way . . . but you have to be willing to take a path off the beaten road.
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we even have a Hungarian Family Bible collection
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/gallery/album/786513
and a FRENCH ID CARD collection
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/gallery/album/753029
the sky is the limit in similar type projects
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OK, I really dont want to belittle the efforts here, its gigantic, but hear me out. Hungary marriages and deaths are all there to research. They are neatly organized to each settlements, all films are labeled. Whats missing is indexing so they are not possible to search. Its really nothing to write a small app and provide a database to index those pictures. Maybe you read about the programmer guy who was scratching his head when he saw what the government created and organized webpages are for Covid vaccine rolling out and in one week he created his version that could succesfully handle it.
Melissa, the currently running 3 Hungarian projects are there standing for a reason - they are in no way relevant to 99% of Hungarians.
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Remember also that FS needs permission from the record owners to index the records. If the records are already on Ancestry.com, MyHeritage etc or another commercial website it is likely that FS and any other free website will not be allowed to publish the records. If the government profits from charging fees to those who don't know how or can't browse the records manually, they may block Indexing. Or the records many be owned by so many local government units that the costs of negotiation and making contracts with all of them is uneconomical.
FS has many priority records and geographic regions. FS is sponsored by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and FS has to prioritize areas where many of its members have ancestry. Hungary has only 5,000 Latter Day Saints, a very low proportion of the population, and relative to other European countries not many Hungarians emigrated to the United States. So it is not going to be as important to FS (and indeed the US-centric genealogy industry as a whole) as places like Ireland, Germany and Italy which had much higher rates of immigration to the Americas.
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I 100% understand that. I am not criticizing here because I geuinely love this website, I merely want more options, more possibilities. Also, about Hungarians dont be fooled by its current very miserable and very minor state, at the times of immigrations to the US Austra-Hungary was the biggest empire in Europe. "Between 1820 and 1920 over 3,700,000 people emigrated from the Austrian-Hungarian Empire to the United States. Only Germany (5,500,000), Ireland (4,400,000) and Italy (4,190,000) had higher figures. "
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It could be true that the current projects are only relevant to 1% of Hungarians, but, it is unfortunate they aren't worked on. I would guess that most of us index projects that are totally irrelevant to our own research. For instance, today I am working on Bills of Sale for Enslaved Persons of South Carolina and Virginia Marriage records 1730-1901 and I know that neither will be relevant to me. But, they will be to someone else.
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Thats very nice of you, it really is, but it only would make sense to let people from own areas of interest work on their own families past so the job could be done a lot faster, which is a goal of importance I think
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Correct. If you and others who can read Hungarian would work on the available projects, I'll bet that it would go much faster. If there are three projects that sit there for a year because no one indexes them, why would they consider adding more Hungarian language projects to the mix? Of course, looking at the FS Wiki for Hungary records, A van Helsdingen brings up great points. There are a lot of dollar signs next to those collections meaning they aren't FS records and there is also a mention in a Wiki article that you can visit a Hungarian state website and pay 57.00 each per certificate.
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You might also find this link interesting. This was from the article written in 2015:
Civil registration records are currently being indexed. On the webpage for the civil registration collection, there is an option to search the indexes. However, the number of indexed records (year-to-date) is 316,184 out of 5.9 million. So, right now the chances of finding your ancestor using the indexes is not very good.
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Great that you are so into this and love the research and are willing to do the work. . . May God Bless you to find ways you can indeed accomplish your goals - even if it isnt exactly as you currently envision.
Have you ever considered - taking one of the Hungarian Sources
such as:
and simply coming up with your OWN privately developed index (for portions of it - and as part of the process , then create and or link to - records in FamilySearch Family Tree for each person (as you go . . )
and even set up source citations to such records - linking them back to the image files. . . so that anyone using FamilySearch Family Tree - can thus leverage and take advantage of your work. and find find these records - even when the record has not officially been "indexed by FS indexing"
There is "more than one way to skin a cat" as they say. . .
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. . . doing it this way - if you add the record to FS FT as you go - - even if you do a minute portion of the entire millions of records - your work is still of significance and value - for those records you did do - as people can/will find your work in FS FT.
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Thank You, Dennis. In fact I was doing for a while what you just proposed, creating persons for each record, I wish that was faster. A button with "create person" would be useful for one. Instead you need to go to a family, create a child or parent or spouse, then severe them from the family, copy the ID, go to the source page, attach to the source, all this jazz. Anyway, there is indeed a way.
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Civil records only started in 1903 in Hungary but the current government found that only people with special permit being able to research them is best. My wife wanted to find out about her paternal great grandparents, was told off very quickly. Apparently the only way to research a document is if one owns the very same document to prove the family ties. On my side luckily I could investigate in the family more than twentyfive years ago when the old people still lived.
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There is a "Create Person" process
It is called "Add Unconnected Person"
You get to it by going to
Family Tree - Tree - Recent - Add Unconnected Person
https://community.familysearch.org/s/feed/0D53A00004tUJ1ESAW
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Lol thats one well hidden button!!! Thanks, I could have never found it myself 100%.
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yeh - its kind of hidden intentionally - generally speaking they want people adding new records based on existing family
but for what you are referrring to - it is the perfectly appropriate and acceptable use.
Good Luck on your Hungarian research
let me know if you ever come across Hungarian Family Bibles . . .
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Check out what has already been digitized for Hungary: https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/search-results?page=1&place=144
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