I would like any information on Maria Machin (Machen/Machant).
Maria arrived in Utah on 1863 as part of the migration from the UK. She travelled with her mother Elizabeth who, I believe died on the way and did not reach Utah. From Census I have found that she married Job (John) Meadowcroft an Engineer and settled in Utah. I believe they had 3 children, George, Maria E and Evadna. George their first child was born in 1866 so their marriage would have taken place between 1863 and 1866. I have been unable to find anything about their marriage. Can you help with any information. Thank You.
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@KathrynTopping1 KathrynTopping1
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Kathryn
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I just tried (searched) the "Collection"
[ with the 'Variant' Names ... ]
Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2517340
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Just in case, you had not ...
Which I 'see', either, you; or, someone else, must have ...
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Result
Name: Maria Machin
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1863
Event Place: Deseret, United States
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1842
Departure Date: 1863
Death Date: unknown
Company Name: Company Unknown
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Attached to:
Maria MACHIN ... ( LLHM-JHT )
( 20 November 1842, Whiston, Yorkshire, England - Deceased )
... Parents
... Father: George MACHIN ... ( LLHM-JHN )
... Mother: Elizabeth HUNTER ... ( L712-648 )
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Is this who you, are working on; or, looking for?
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Brett
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Hi Brett,
Yes, this is the Maria Machin I am looking at.
Kath
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@KathrynTopping1 KathrynTopping1
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Kathryn
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Furthermore ...
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Is this, Job (John) MEADOWCROFT, that you, are working on; or, looking for?
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John MEADOWCROFT
( aka: Job MEADOWCROFT )
1829, Lancashire, England - 1894, Beaver, Utah, United States of America
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/27SK-L3X
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Wife:
Originally: Maria MACHANT
Changed to: Maria M. MACHANT
Where the original "Alternate Names" of:
Maria MACHANT
Marie MACHANT
were recently "Deleted" (for NO good Reason)
CAL 1842, England - 22 Dec 1882, Kanab, Kane, Utah, United States of America
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/27PJ-D7X
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There are also a number of "Trees" in "MyHeritage_com"
[ Small selection ... ]
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And, a reference to the "1870, Census of the United States of America"
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Brett
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Yes that is the correct person. Thank you for all this information.
Kath
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@KathrynTopping1 KathrynTopping1
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Kathryn
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Curiosity got the better of me, with those two (x2) "Maria's'
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I did some 'digging' ...
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I found this:
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'Civil Registration' for "Birth",
General Registry Office ( GRO )
England and Wales
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Birth Registration
Name: Maria MACHEN ... [ Note the Spelling of the Family Name/Surname ]
Mother's "Maiden" Family Name/Surname: HUNTER
Year of Registration: 1843
Registration Quarter: FIRST ( January, February, March )
Registration District: Rotherham
[ spans boundaries of counties of, Derbyshire & Yorkshire (West Riding) ]
Volume: 22
Page: 496
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And ...
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The locality of "Whiston" is very near the greater place of "Rotherham"
[ "Rotherham" being Registration District for greater area, including "Whiston" ]
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FreeBDM
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GRO
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Therefore ...
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Despite, the "Name(s)" recorded in those previous aforementioned Records (ie. LLHM-JHT & 27PJ-D7X )
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Her ACTUAL (Registered) "Birth" Name was, in fact: Maria MACHEN
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And, I would humbly suggest that the:
Maria MACHIN ... ( LLHM-JHT )
( 20 November 1842, Whiston, Yorkshire, England - Deceased )
... Parents
... Father: George MACHIN ... ( LLHM-JHN )
... Mother: Elizabeth HUNTER ... ( L712-648 )
although, the LATER Record, is the MORE "Correct" Record.
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And, despite the fact that I would NORMALLY retain the EARLIER Record, in this instance, I would Retain that (Later) Maria MACHIN ( LLHM-JHT ); as, the "Surviving" Record; and, "Merge"/"Combine" with that Maria MACHANT ( 27PJ-D7X ); as, the "Deleted"/"Archived" Record.
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Reason being that Maria MACHIN ( LLHM-JHT ) has Parents and Sibling; whereas, that Maria MACHANT ( 27PJ-D7X ) ONLY has a Spouse/Husband and Children.
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Just my humble thoughts, for your consideration.
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Brett
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Brett
Thank you for all this. My records from England show Maria as Maria Machin born to George Machin and Elizabeth Hunter. Machin has sometimes been transcribed as Machen.
George was a Deacon of the church in the 1850's in Yorkshire, England. Maria's brother Thomas also migrated to Utah in 1847 and following her father George's death in 1862 Maria and her mother travelled out on the Cynosure from Liverpool in 1863.
I am in contact with a descendant of Thomas, and they informed me that he changed his name to Machen on arrival in the US.
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@KathrynTopping1 KathrynTopping1
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FYI
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Take a look at the "Birth" Registration for "Maria", her "Registered" 'Family Name'/'Surname' is that of MACHEN.
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'No', in fact, MACHEN has been (incorrectly) transcribed as MACHIN.
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It DOES NOT matter WHAT their Name CHANGED to when they MIGRATED to the USA.
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Their BIRTH 'Family Name'/'Surname', in/from England, is STILL that of MACHEN - that should never be "Changed".
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And, that is despite 'Common Usage' VARIATIONS on/in OFFICAL (USA) Government Documents. Their 'Family Name'/'Surname' was MOST probably NOT "Legally" (Court) CHANGED - ONLY due to, common usage; or, interpretation and translation.
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You can certainly Record the LATER "Variations" of the 'Family Name'/'Surname' as "Alternate Names"; but, the ORIGINAL "Birth" 'Family Name'/'Surname' (ESPECIALLY, of those whose BIRTH, is Registered, through "Civil Registration' - like 'Maria's' that of MACHEN) SHOULD be used in "Vitals".
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That is WHY there are so MANY "Duplicates" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
▬ ORIGINAL Names from BIRTH Country NOT being Recorded in "Vitals"
▬ And, VARIANT Names from ADOPTED Country BEING Recorded in "Vitals"
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ORIGINAL Names from BIRTH Country SHOULD be Recorded in "Vitals" Section.
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Whereas ...
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VARIANT Names from ADOPTED Country SHOULD be Recorded as "Alternate Names" in "Other Information" Section.
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[ Official "Legal" (Court) Name "Changes", are a little DIFFERENT ... ]
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Brett
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Lots of names are changed through the census as either the folks giving the name spell it wrong or the person writing wrote it wrong. Also indexed names get changed a lot. If a person does not dot the i it could look like an e.
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