Why aren't my children's family charts the same? Same parents for all and BIC.
Tonight my three older kids (teenagers) were logged into their individual family search accounts. While helping them, I noticed their fan charts all look different with different gaps. All three children have the same mother and father and were born in the covenant. Upon further inspection, none of the family search id numbers are the same for the living people on their tree (ie, their siblings, myself, my husband, living grandparents etc.) Is it normal for living people to have different id numbers in different accounts? How do I connect my kids properly so they can see all their ancestors we have information for?
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I believe I can answer part of your question (my first answer in this forum, so I hope I get it right 🙂 ). Because of privacy issues that span the globe with different rules country by country, every living person has a unique record and ID that is different in each login account. So, each of the children had to create a unique record for themselves in their account. They would have to create a unique record for each living parent and ancestor until they get back to the deceased ancestors. At the point of deceased ancestors, then the names, records, and ID's should be common. (Sometimes, you may need to resolve duplicate records for deceased persons, but if that is completed, then all the pedigree charts and gaps should be the same for the deceased.) We continue to hope for a day when living records can be shared between close family or consenting patrons. Until then, there will be multiple records for each living person, and these will eventually need to be reconciled back to a single record by merging when the living person dies. Hope that helps.
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Living individuals can only be seen by the person who created them so each of your children would have different ID numbers for the same living people. A child will not be able to see the living entries you and each of their siblings have created.
However, you should all connect to the same deceased ancestors. The children with gaps probably need to connect to the deceased individuals which you can do by clicking on Add and the By ID Number. You can help them find the correct ID numbers.
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@SheenaPyatt SheenaPyatt .
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Short Answer: 'Yes'; and, 'No'.
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Plus, 'Yes', quite NORMAL, same People (Even, immediate Family); but, ...
"Different" PIDs across DIFFERENT (Family members) 'FamilySearch' Accounts.
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Sounds like you are a member of the Church ... with that, BIC, reference ...
[ Makes it easier ... ]
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For Members of the Church who are Users/Patrons ...
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Each Family member (Excepting: Very Young Children), will their OWN 'FamilySearch' Account; and, be a "Register" User/Patron of 'FamilySearch'.
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Just quickly, in passing ...
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Your individual "Pedigrees" will be prepopulated with SOME immediate Family members; but, the rest you will all have to enter yourselves ...
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As Parents, the "Pedigree" of you and your Spouse will have "Copies" (ie. "Duplicates") of your, Spouse; and, each of your Children ...
[ Plus, your respective Parents; and, "Deceased" Siblings"; but,
.. NOT "Living" Siblings ]
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As to your Children, the "Pedigree" will have "Copies" (ie. "Duplicates") of you and your Spouse; and, "Deceased" Siblings"; but, NOT "Living" Siblings ]
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Now ...
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As such ...
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As you and your Family members are ALL "Living" Users/Patrons, of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', even IMMEDIATE Family members ...
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You; and, your Family members, WILL have to "Added" SEPERATELY (and, 'Yes'; as, DUPLICATES) the ALL "Living" individuals/persons (ie. Siblings; Aunts; Uncles; Cousins, etc) that connect/link you together, in your respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts ...
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Basically, you and Family members have to "Build" a "Bridge" of the "Living" individuals/persons that connect/link you together, in your respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts ...
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Once, you have built that bridge of the "Living"; then, when you come to your Common "Deceased" Ancestors, your "Ancestral" lines will connect/link together into one ...
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All you may need to do is "Swap", between yourselves, the "Details" of the "Living" individuals/persons that connect/link you together ...
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And, any "Memories" thereof ...
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So that, you ensure the "Details" of the "Living" individuals/persons that connect/link you together are, correct; and, synchronised, between you all.
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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ps: More to follow ...
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@SheenaPyatt SheenaPyatt
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Sheena
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Furthermore ...
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Most new (and, some old) Users/Patrons DO NOT understand the basic nature and premise of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', when they join in.
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Please let me explain ...
[ And, please bear with me; as, I am VERY 'Verbose' ... ]
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We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
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We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.
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We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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You can certainly "Merge"/"Combine" any "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with another "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', regardless of who the User/Patron was that initially created those "Deceased" individuals/persons; as, they DO NOT reside with the User/Patron who initially created them - they are "Public".
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If fact, you can ONLY see "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; except, with this 'rider', that you can ALSO only see "Living" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that YOU created; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces".
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No other User/Patron can see ANY "Living" individuals/persons that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces" of the User/Patron who created them.
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We CANNOT even see the ACTUAL Record in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc) if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.
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Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:
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▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.
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▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them with any other "Living" individual/person residing in the "Private Spaces" of another User//Patron.
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There is CURRENTLY no mechanism in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons in their own "Private Spaces" with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).
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There are a myriad of "Privacy" Laws within the many various Countries and Unions throughout the World - it is a nightmare to negotiate.
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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is used in many Countries and Unions throughout the World; and, as such, must adhere to the myriad of "Privacy" Laws throughout the World.
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Hence, "Privacy" is one of the reasons that we cannot "Share" the "Living" individuals/persons in our own "Private Spaces" - it is NOT the ONLY reason; but, certainly has a bearing on the matter.
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Another factor is that such would have to be 'Coded'/'Programmed' into the Programme that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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'Yes', these "Living" individuals/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided.
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I know that there are "Duplicates" of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.
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Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' in regard to "Private Spaces" and "Living" individuals/persons:
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Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree
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How does Family Tree protect the privacy of living people?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/what-is-a-private-space-in-family-tree
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What Family Tree features are available in my private space?
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Can my living relatives share a Family Tree private space to work together?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/share-a-family-tree-private-space-with-family
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Can I transfer my Family Tree private space to another user?
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Here is a good place to start, with how things work in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' (and, other programmes as well):
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Overview
'FamilySearch'
"Family Tree"
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/overview
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Getting Started with Family History
Here are the main things you need to know as you get started
https://www.familysearch.org/home/etb_gettingstarted
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How to Use the Family Tree
https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/how-to-use-family-tree/
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What is The Family History Guide?
https://media.familysearch.org/what-is-the-family-history-guide/
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The Family History Guide
Introduction
About The Family History Guide
https://www.thefhguide.com/introduction.html
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The Family History Guide
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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Thank you Randy and Brett. This helps immensely. I was feeling quite stressed by it all and uncertain how to even begin to search for answers or make corrections. I'm grateful for your experience and information. I believe I can easily build some "bridges" so my children can see their direct deceased ancestor lines. I appreciate the links so I can investigate further.
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@SheenaPyatt SheenaPyatt
Sheena
As an aside ... it is a good time to ...
Get some HELP from your "Ward/Branch, Temple and Family History, Consultants"
That is their 'Calling", they should be able to gently, guide you through
Especially, with regard to "Temple" Work; and, the "Sharing" thereof, to each other
[ When the BULK of "Temples" commence, "Phase 3" (ie. "Limited" Proxy) ...
.. At moment, there are ONLY x4 around World (One, in my Country), doing that ]
Brett
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