We need a "partner" option under relationship events
We currently have
Annulment, Common Law Marriage, Divorce, Lived Together, and Marriage.
None of these works for an affair. My uncles did not "live with" his girlfriend, he lived with his wife. But he and his girlfriend had a child (still living, now 70 years old, the actual girlfriend just died in August 2020).
We really need a "Partner" option for these circumstances.
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Kathy
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This response, of mine, is in no way meant to detract for your "Idea" (ie. Suggestion).
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You are not alone ...
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Firstly ...
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There has been much discussion and debate, over the YEARS, in the forerunner to this current (New) "IDEAS" forum, being the OLD 'FamilySearch' ("GetSatisfaction") 'Feedback' Forum regarding the problems/issues with regard to (among other things) the "Types" of Relationship "Events", being the lack of (certain) Relationship "Events" (eg. as you have alluded to, in you situation).
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Secondly ...
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We have been advised, over the same period, by "Official 'FamilySearch' Representatives" that there is currently (which has been for some time) 'ongoing' development and design work (and, also coding) in regard to the "Couple" Relationships - what you might say, will be almost, a 'revamp'.
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Thirdly ...
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Some, of the PARTS of the aforementioned 'revamp', has already been implemented ...
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There have been some "Modifications"/"Additions" to the "Couple" Relationships recently.
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eg.
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- Ability to have "Same Gender" Relationships; and,
- Addition of the Relationship "Event" of "Lived Together"; and,
- Addition of "Relationship Facts"; BUT, ONLY one so far, of "No Children".
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Just the aforementioned, are MAJOR changes to the System; and, took much time to, develop; and, design; and, code, for.
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Hopefully, there is much more to come forth in due time ...
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It is NEVER as simple or as easy ... as most of us think.
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Now ...
That said ...
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At this current juncture, in time ...
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In your particular case, you DO NOT need a "Partner" Option, as you suggest.
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You simply add the "Girlfriend" as a additional "Spouse" (I know, bad terminology, lets NOT go there - hopefully that is being addressed); BUT, in this case, being a "Girlfriend", DO NOT add any Relationship "Event" - just leave it "Blank".
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Now, this is the (very) IMPORTANT part, you NEED to "Document" the relationship by adding copious "Notes" [eg. to the effect that in this particular "Relationship", there was, NO "Marriage"; and, they NEVER "Lived Together", just a "Physical" (or, whatever you want to call it) relationship] everywhere you can, for, both, individuals; and, in their Couple relationship
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ie.
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Individuals =
- Life Sketch;
- Other Information - (Custom) Fact;
- Collaboration - (BOTH in) Notes and Discussions
... (the latter cannot be "Deleted" by Other Users/Patrons)
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COUPLE =
- Relationship Notes.
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Oversimplified, I know; but, I hope you 'get my drift '...
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Hopefully, in the future you will be able to 'go back' to that particular "Couple" Relationship, with your Uncle and his "Girlfriend"; and, update the situation with regard to ANY new developments/design that has been implemented.
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But ...
For now ...
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We just have to work with what we have got ...
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Certainly, NOT ideal ...
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But, at least, it sort of works ...
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Just my thoughts.
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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Thank you Brett, I will add notes to both parties. That is a workable solution for now. And yes, I do un derstand most of the nuances involved in coding. I ran 3 personal and 1 business website for years. Gave it up because they were a pain! LOL
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I must admit to feeling very uncomfortable about posts like this appearing on a public forum. As you appear to be using your actual name, it is just possible someone could identify your uncle from this topic, which could lead to him, yourself or the FamilySearch organisation finding themselves in an awkward position.
I hope the FamilySearch moderators will also take this issue into consideration, as it is not the first time the usually strict privacy policies appear to have come close to being breached (on the former GetSat platform, now here).
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Paul
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Are you referring to the Users/Patrons "Contact Name"?
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That may or may not be the Users/Patrons "Actual" Name!
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What you have to remember is that MOST Users/Patrons DO NOT have the experience that the regular (experienced) participants from the former 'FamilySearch' ("GetSatisfaction") 'Feedback' Forum have, they DO NOT know that:
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There are basically Four (x4) 'Different' Name formats, in 'FamilySearch', for Users/Patrons, they being:
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(1) Full ( Legal ) Name = Used to 'Create' a 'FamilySearch' Account;
..... usually, one's FULL 'Legal' name ... [ Always "Private", for your eyes only ]
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(2) UserName = Used to "Sign In" ... [ Always "Private", for you eyes only ]
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(3) Contact Name = Name that OTHER Users/Patrons see displayed for you...
..... [ Always "Public" ]
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(4) Display Name = Name that is Displayed, on YOUR pages/screens,
..... for your 'FamilySearch' Account ... [ Always "Private", for your eyes only ]
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And, especially, that the "Contact Name" can be of their "Choosing", nothing like their actual name (provided that it is NOT already taken).
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Most Users/Patrons would not even look at the name of the User/Patrons who raised the post, just the content of the post.
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That is a matter of, education; and, experience ...
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In fact, in this post:
- the Uncle's name is not mentioned
- the (Deceased) "Girlfriends" name is not mentioned
- The "Living" Child name is not mentioned.
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It would be a 'stretch' to associate the posters name with the aforementioned.
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I totally agree that some Users/Patrons, DO NOT think; and, post "Ideas"; "Comments"; "Questions"; "Answers"; "Posts"; and "Polls", in this "Community.FamilySearch" Forum that reference "Living" people (including themselves); but, in MOST instances, SUCH, "Questions"; "Answers"; "Posts"; and "Polls" (not yet including, "Ideas"; and, "Comments"; as they are so new'ish) ARE very quickly "Deleted"/'Removed" by the Senior "Administrators" in the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum (itself); and, in some instances, by the "Administrators" of the various 'Groups' in the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum. As you can tell, like some of the regular (experienced) participants from the former 'FamilySearch' ("GetSatisfaction") 'Feedback' Forum, I have been helping in this "Community.FamilySearch" Forum for a little while now; and, have seen some good works.
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Personally, unlike you, in the case of this particular post, I would suggest that the boundary has NOT been crossed with regards to identifying "Living" individuals/persons.
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Just my thoughts.
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Brett
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Paul, thanks for your concern, but I have over 30 Uncles (if someone was so inclined) and this one is long dead. The entire family knows of the affair, it was no secret. He may have cheated on his wife, but he acknowledged and took care of the child, and she was known about by all parties. I do not give away family secrets. Also, the notes are now visible for all the world to see as both the uncle and his girlfriend are now dead.
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KathySexton1,
The "Partner Option" that you refer to is already implemented. It is called a "Couple Relationship". If there was a noteworthy relationship between two individuals involving commitments to each other and/or parenting, you represent it by creating a "Couple Relationship" between the two of them. The Annulment, Common Law Marriage, Divorce, Lived Together, and Marriage that you mentioned are not "options", they are specific EVENTS that occur while they had that Couple Relationship between them. If none of those events occurred, then you just don't create any events for their Couple Relationship.
A "having a child" type of event is not necessary to be recorded as a specific event of the Couple Relationship as the creation of the new parent child relationships and birth vitals of the child already cover all of that
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