Is this a suitable line of family history in FS-FT?
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m said: I agree that all Biblical characters should be removed from Familytree.0
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ATP said: Jeff Wiseman,
Love that skyscraper example!
Retired genealogist, Myra Vanderpool Gormley, explains that in England it was under Henry VIII that began the keeping of vital records in Parish Registers of all the English populations. Before his time only the records of nobles and the wealthy were recorded only to determine inheritance of landed property, thus, to all extents and purposes, other documentation for lesser persons does not exist, at least not in England.
"In 1538, the English Parliament passed a law that ordered the clerk in each parish to keep records of the birth, christening, death, and marriage of each person in the parish. Previous to the establishment of the Church of England by Henry VIII, only records of families of nobles and the wealthy had been kept, haphazardly, by monks, primarily to assist proving age and pedigrees for inheritances, but until 1538, no systematic record keeping for England's population occurred before that time when .... all baptisms, marriages and deaths were to be written down in a book after service on Sunday evenings, in the presence of the churchwardens...
"However, in 1540, keeping the parish registers was abandoned in many areas, and it was not until 1558, when ordered by Queen Elizabeth I at the beginning of her reign, that the registers were kept once again. Some registers were kept on loose paper sheets, and in 1597, as Elizabeth's reign was nearing its end, she ordered that all existing registers to be copied into "fair parchment books." In large parishes, this was a monumental task and due to a loophole, some clergy simply started their copy task with the 1558 records, and ignored what had gone before. Others dutifully re-copied the earlier registers." Genealogist, Myra Vanderpool Gormley.
Parish registers were kept in register chests under lock and key and many of those early registers have survived and have been transcribed and are available on FSFT.0 -
ATP said: Retired professional genealogist, Myra Vanderpool Gormley, explains the history of English law requiring the keeping of records for all the English populations that began under Henry VIII. However, failure to comply to that parliamentary dictum, in 1558 Queen Elizabeth I at the beginning of her reign ordered systematic compliance. Before that time records existed for only nobility and wealthy persons, and only for the purpose of insuring property inheritance, thus, lesser persons, for all extents and purposes, documentation to their existence does not exist, at least for the English populations. Ms Gormley's information makes sense for the FS cutoff in 15th century.
"In 1538, the English Parliament passed a law that ordered the clerk in each parish to keep records of the birth, christening, death, and marriage of each person in the parish. Previous to the establishment of the Church of England by Henry VIII, only records of families of nobles and the wealthy had been kept, haphazardly, by monks, primarily to assist proving age and pedigrees for inheritances, but until 1538, no systematic record keeping for England's population occurred before that time when .... all baptisms, marriages and deaths were to be written down in a book after service on Sunday evenings, in the presence of the churchwardens...
"However, in 1540, keeping the parish registers was abandoned in many areas, and it was not until 1558, when ordered by Queen Elizabeth I at the beginning of her reign, that the registers were kept once again. Some registers were kept on loose paper sheets, and in 1597, as Elizabeth's reign was nearing its end, she ordered that all existing registers to be copied into "fair parchment books." In large parishes, this was a monumental task and due to a loophole, some clergy simply started their copy task with the 1558 records, and ignored what had gone before. Others dutifully re-copied the earlier registers." Genealogist, Myra Vanderpool Gormley.
Parish registers were kept in register chests under lock and key and many of those early registers have survived and have been transcribed and are available on FSFT.0 -
ATP said: Jeff Wiseman,
That skyscraper analogy is right on!0 -
ATP said: Lord Bruce,
You might want to check out the youtube documentaries about identifying the bones of Richard III, where yDNA shows a biological break (documented father is not the biogical father, also called extra-paternal event) in an early descendant of John of Gaunt, wherein the yDNA of a present day male whose "documented" paper trail shows him descended from John of Gaunt, but, the yDNA does not correspond with other males whose yDNA and paper trails match up. Anthropology genealogists are working on trying to discover the break!0 -
m said: DNA projects publish haplogroups that correspond to the final person on the YDNA line (or mtDNA line).
Let's say you purchase a YDNA test. You join the DNA project under the name of that final person on your YDNA line.
Both the YDNA project and the people joining the YDNA project have to be on the same page as to who the final person is on a particular YDNA line.
Therefore, on public websites, it is important to have that final person as the final person for the purposes of DNA. Example of a DNA project results page:
https://piercednanorth.com/results
Notice how multiple people are joining their different lines under the same final person on a line that everyone is in agreement to that that is the final person on the line.
DNA projects cannot produce accurate results unless the participants have accurate lines.
Inaccurate lines are bad for everyone doing DNA testing---which I assume are a large number of Familysearch patrons or their family members.0 -
Lord Bruce said: My lineage is just what they came up with, if I believe it, is another story, this is just what the world is teaching us, we don't like to be played as fools for we are looking for our ancestors and the wealthy stick together, so it says in our family direct tree, we came from a very wealthy family and have a large fortune in Holland, so I am looking for that fortune, and it is connected to royalty, I know that, royalty sticks together as wealthy do also, so we were the deleted, the Freemasons, not to be remembered that is the reason they don't want you to remember your past, to claim is what they don't want, everyone is connected, married or blood, we all stick together, if you are not in the link you have no associations, I am a mix of the bloodlines, connected to everyone of the wealthy and royalty, thru my direct grandparents, We lived in the church of Canada, on the UBC grounds, 1927 to 1937, we are ministerial employees, with ministerial exceptions, like the Trustee (Church Property) Act, owns the property and I can restore our family back into the church to get the control on Canada, to change the way things are done, church controls the land, the man made laws do not apply, just the natural laws and the laws of commonsense, rule of man, rule 25, etc, the church controls the land. This is about knowing where you came from, to fix the past, to correct the future, The truth is all I seek, no lies, If I am going to pay like Ancestry money I want a true lineage, not one made up to King David, and altering it so it doesn't match and putting our hopes up, proud ya found it, to all it is not real, people don't want you to find your past, sad, to be deleted once again, well I found our lineage to make true to fix the past toi make it right, I hope people will follow in my footsteps, to make it right, I am not a fool to be played with, on the babble of Babylon to Nimrod of all people to beheading to killing of your own father brothers and sisters, sad the families to gain control for there greed will kill to get control, sad how people have to be to hide the truth of the past, to play us as fools in the movies and bible to make it like the bible so we believe in the religious practices of the world, if there is one thing that is invalid, anything that is not true in any writings, MAKES ALL DOCUMENTS, INVALID, PERIOD, all contracts schooling religious trainings of any kind all are invalid, what about that all man made laws and act are all invalid, constitutions magna carta, hello. everything we live for is invalid, hello
Application to every church
2 All the rights and privileges conferred on any religious body, society or congregation by section 1 extend in every respect to every church, to be exercised according to the government of the church.
This Act is current to March 25, 2020
[RSBC 1996] CHAPTER 465
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bcla...0 -
Lord Bruce said: Family search doesn't even connect me to my own mother, or even my great grandfather, not like Geni, finds any connection, who can we not believe in our lineages, this is supposed to be true, sup, they took me to Adam and Eve, who am I to say, playing us as fools, no longer, only facts and law of the natural laws of commonsense will only have a say, and don't delete the past when we find it so it will be deleted, everytime I find my past they clip it so it doesn't line up, lol, sad they have to wreak history that was, so we can't find ourselves, sad0
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Tom Huber said: A living person's record is not public, due to privacy laws. As such, the user has to connect their living records to the deceased records, which are public.
I have run across lines that go back to Adam and Eve, but somewhere along the line, the record that makes the connection is faulty and may miss one or more generations.
I have an end-of-line ancestor who came from Ireland (many Irish records were destroyed and this person was born in the 18th century).
There was a strong desire among family members to connect my immigrant ancestor to the author of a Biblical Commentary, but no one has been able to fill in (at least) one missing generation. And this is just one example of what can happen when people want to be descended from famous people, royalty, or a group of people who played a significant part in the history of their country or the world.
The end result is a creative genealogical record, or in some cases, a fraudulently produced genealogical record, such as those produced by Gustave Anjou (search his name on the internet).
The Biblical record that we have is, at best, flawed copies of the original material, which was lost / destroyed by the ravages of time. There are no original Biblical manuscripts and as such, there are "missing" or incorrect genealogical generations, which has created a lot of skeptics about the Christian religions.0 -
Tom Huber said: Even more important is the fact that not all DNA tests are equal. While the raw data may be the same, the interpretation may (and does) vary.
FTDNA, a very reputable DNA company, does not include everything to determine the Y- or mt-DNA haplogroups. I found this out better than a year ago.
Other DNA companies do not focus on ancestry, except in a very coarse way and so it is not unusual to find that a father and a son receive a report with different male haplogroups (it happened to me and my son).0 -
m said: Most DNA projects are hosted at FTDNA.
https://isogg.org/wiki/Geographical_D...
"The vast majority of large geographical projects are hosted at Family Tree DNA. "
https://isogg.org/wiki/Surname_DNA_pr...
"Family Tree DNA is now the only company which provides project management tools and the vast majority of surname projects are now hosted at Family Tree DNA."0 -
m said: There are certain types of DNA projects.
Surname DNA projects are trying to figure out the different lines of people with the same surname/help break down brick walls.
https://isogg.org/wiki/Surname_DNA_pr...
For example, the Pierce surname DNA project involves these 2 websites:
https://piercednanorth.com/results
https://piercedna.com/results
..and the goal is to figure out all the Pierce lines using YDNA.
So when you look you see each line ends in a progenitor--the final person on the line--usually an immigrant who came to N. America from Europe.
Example: "William c. 1705, probably Virginia" is listed 9 times because there is consensus that the final person on that line is "William c. 1705, probably Virginia."
On Familysearch it is best for all of the descendants of "William c. 1705, probably Virginia" that he is the final person on the line, because he is the consensus final person on the line according to genealogists studying that line in depth and that helps descendants collaborate on genealogy together because they are using records and DNA to make lines as accurate as possible.
Tacking on false ancestors going back to biblical times onto "William c. 1705, probably Virginia" on Familysearch helps no one at all; it misleads beginners and prevents beginners from learning accurate information about their ancestor,and it also thwarts more experienced users from collaborating effectively and sharing accurate genealogical information about that ancestor.0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: There are even lineages in the bible that we now know are incorrect. Its because the monks originally doing the translation on earlier versions of the bible (it has already been through at least 7 translations just up to the King James version) were not aware of the fact that jewish lineages were matriarchal! As a result, you get a couple of lineages of the Savior back to King David that show up different from each other in the bible.
The monks knew that the Savior was of the royal line from King David, but when the names didn't line up the way they expected them to, they "fudged" them to look correct. That's just one of the many glitches in the bible due to mistranslation.0
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