Thoughts on Correcting Errors in the Records
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Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: But Jean,
The Problems being that are being asked about can be resolved with SUPPORT, It's the people being TRAINED that will STOP the errors. Beleave me I have spent HOURS on one Family separating them of Numerous incorrect Parent's and widely different info. JUST CONTACT SUPPORT or FAMILY HISTORY CONSULTANT'S and spend 1 hour reading what is posted or talk one on one. But you are correct that The Site does say just use and you can do at home but they don't elaborate on HOW!0 -
Fred Meyer said: I understand this situation. I too have my grandmother misspelled as Krich, where it should be Krieg as her maiden name. As well as her fathers last name.
What we have to understand is that manytimes the script used by our ancestors may not be as ledgable (readable) as we would like. If the recorders would accept a family members notorized statement as a corrective measure, perhaps it may avoid a alphabet soup of miss managed mixups and a forever mess that no one can correct.0 -
Vernal Henry Gledhill said: Pamela
If we don't point0 -
Shillene RaNae Hancock said: I added the wrong parents to a family member and would like assistance in getting that changed. Thank you.0
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Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: You can't do it HERE. Go to SUPPORT FEEDBACK FOR YOUR HELP PERSON
Sorry
Merry Christmas or you could just delete your entries and start over again which should work0 -
JoEllen said: My Mother's place of birth as well as her day of birth is wrong on the record here. How can I change that and put the correct info in there?0
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Leslie Chapman said: I have never had occasion to use the 1881 British Census, but have used the 1881 Canadian index on Family Search and the strangest thing I ever encountered was one where the Census doubled up a neighborhood. I suspect the Census taker or two different ones went around a block twice because it is a nice block of about 20 houses or so that are in the Census twice. I know it is not just a replication of data because several of the households have different results; ie more or less people and more or less details about the names, or middle name in one data set and first name in the other.0
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Leslie Chapman said: Here is a suggestion, in the interim maybe we could use a social networking page to let people post corrections to? I am not sure there would be any easy way to make the information searchable though. Or perhaps it would be better to set up an email list Rootsweb-Family search suggestion -L or something?0
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Jade said: Jerry, your reference to documented sources bespeaks what could be a lot of positive progress in correcting items in the nFS-Tree.
The reason for making changes has to be better than a 'source': it should be ~evidence~.
This is because ~sources~ can be trees posted on the web, badly- or non-researched published genealogies (many are mainly just full of inventions and fantasies) or newsletters, or the horrible mainly nonsense compilations from family group sheets which are based on little or no facts.
If there is no ~evidence~ for a change, it should not be made.0 -
Jade said: Many of us do not use social-networking sites because they repeatedly violate users' privacy (they apologize if discovered, but do not stop).
However, a blog would be possible. Or wider use of the Forums, particularly if Engineering could be persuaded to set up subforums by surname.0 -
Francisco Ortega Marrero said: The people from Ancestry apparently ahve a software to update their database. I had reported some cases and they fixed the invalid names.
I'am happy to know that you are working hard on it. Good Luck
Francisco Ortega Marrero
famortegaramos@aol.com0 -
Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: If you are Talking at New Family search, just sign in and edit5 the detail and then put under the Discussion that you are this person's Chi;d and the correct info is Whatever it is.
You can also contact ALL the wrong entries and explain that you are the child and for them to please remove their info and if necessary send them a copy of the Birth Cert. A Photo not the Orignal.
And by the way I being Gracious as actually at the wrong formon for that.
This forom is for SUGGESTIONS on Improvements not for Questions on how to correct. But your's was an easy one
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.0 -
Shillene RaNae Hancock said: Thank you for your help! I was able to fix it.
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Keith Harry Lenton said: I am happy to learn that a lot of hours are being invested to rectify this great problem, but what about the number of hours wasted on a search that ends in a most blatent error. My family line had a daughter whos family was 100 years younger than the Son in laws family.
Willmus Morris Brn 1565 married Alicia Warde Brn 1569
father Richard Morris Brn 1534 father Richard Ward Brn 1629 all generation back from Richard Ward match Date wise so how does a multi million pound system not block this entry and how can we allow a daughter 1569 be sealed to a father who was born 60years later.0 -
Francisco Ortega Marrero said: This is a very sofisticated software and by my expirience I know that once the people from New FamilySearch analize the condition they will fixed the system to avoid that this happen. This is a technical issue and they need our help to detect the errors. We do a lot of errors that they d'ont because they know how to work with the system. When we report a condition like this is because the error was not seen by the one that enter the information.0
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Dennis Blaine Anderson said: some how i have 2 extra wives - funny. the problem with this sight is everyone can mess up your work, i plan to quit using and switch to something else0
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Thomas James Potter said: My grandfather, Thomas William Potter B: 4 May 1872 was incorrectly Sealed to Catherine Mary Ann Evans according to the post was married in Aspen, Uinta, Wyoming, 1906. He was married to my Grandmother,Eliza Ann Harris 24 May 1906, In Kemmerer, Lincoln, Wyoming. This is a gross error. He had only one wife.0
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Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: Ronald
Send feedback to NFS telling them the Name the PID# and you should also send the Correct one also otherwise you will need to send PROOF to correct. CONTACT NFS at HAVE A PROBLEM, not here as SUGGESTION0 -
Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: IT IS TIME THAT WE MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR THIS IS A FORUM FOR HOW WE MIGHT HAVE FAMILY SEARCH MAKE PROGRAMMING CHANGES TO CORRECT THE ENTRIES, NOT TO GET THEM TO CORRECT IT. THAT IS SUPPORT NOT THIS FORUM. READ A FORUM BEFORE POSTING AND YOU WILL BE LESS FRUSTRATED!!!!!!!0
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Bernice Mistrot said: What would be ever so helpful is if the original post at the top of this thread could be modified to include a link to the NFS site where you claim that problems can be reported and solved. When I went to look for such a site at FamilySearch, this is what I found.
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Document ID: 101553
How to correct data errors or make additions to the Historical Records database
Symptoms (Problems)
- A name has been indexed incorrectly, or was spelled wrong in the record, and I want to add an alternate spelling.
- Can I submit additional information that I have in my possession?
- Transcription errors were made. How can we fix records that were transcribed incorrectly?
- Can information be corrected in the Historical Records on FamilySearch.org?
Answer (Resolution)
The FamilySearch system does not currently allow a user to make corrections or annotations on a record. Nor does it provide a way for a user to submit these errors so that someone internally can make the correction.
This user need, however, is well understood and a significant amount of time is being invested in mapping out a system that would allow user corrections/annotation to a record. We cannot yet announce a date when such a feature will be available, but it is on the roadmaps and drawing boards.
Get Satisfaction posting by Robert Kehrer - Design engineer "Thoughts on correcting errors to the records"
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So the query, "How to correct data errors" is sending readers directly to this forum! AND it says that there is no place where users can send errors, contrary to your repeated statements that there is such a place. If there really is such a place, then the above cited document needs to be revised accordingly.0 -
Don Cameron said: Being the nit-picker that I am, the sentence, A name has been indexed incorrectly, or was spelled wrong in the record, and I want to add an alternate spelling.", should have more correctly have been written, A name has been indexed incorrectly, or was spelt wrong in the record, and I want to add an alternate spelling.
I guess that some people make comments on this post without reading the original comment, and therefore fail to fully understand the original intent. Such is life!
Don Cameron.0 -
Bernice Mistrot said: Sorry -- My comment was posted in the wrong place. I was responding to this.
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Pamela Lynn O'Brien
Send feedback to NFS telling them the Name the PID# and you should also send the Correct one also otherwise you will need to send PROOF to correct. CONTACT NFS at HAVE A PROBLEM, not here as SUGGESTION
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Exactly how and where does one "Send feedback to NFS" when the intro to this thread and the document I cited above say it can't be done? I don't see any "Have a Problem" link on the FamilySearch pages I use.0 -
Jade said: The problem here is that Robert Kehrer's initial post was about the problem of getting alternate readings or suggestions regarding extracted/indexed Historical Records data on the FamilySearch.org site.
Unfortunately, the newFamilySearch tree calls the agglomeration of items concerning an individual in the nFS-tree a "record." This badly confuses those with little genealogical-research experience concerning what a ~record~ is. Not to mention failure to distinguish between a ~source~ and ****evidence****.
So there are many posts here about newFamilySearch-Tree: how Aunt Harriet's maiden name was misspelt in the Tree, how a great-grandfather had only one marriage, and about wrong persons attributed in nFS-Tree to a specific family.
Intellectual Reserve, Inc. should begin by straightening out its terminology, cease over-simplifying genealogical matters, educate all comers concerning the nature of and necessity for ~evidence~ regarding genealogical matters, and explain at every opportunity that much (or most?) of what is in the newFS-Tree is completely wrong and ~not~ to be considered a basis of genealogical research.
This is the time to start. Rootstech 2012 would be a great place to open such a sustained and well-funded campaign.0 -
Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: If you have access, there is a Feedback link that asked you what you want to do Report a Problem which will link you with SUPPORT or another is have a suggestion which Links you here.0
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Bernice Mistrot said: Thanks. I confess, I never noticed the word "Feedback" in 4-pt type in the lower right corner of the screen. So, will sending specific errors to the "Report a Problem" link under "Feedback" actually result in fixing transcription errors like Ilirshill for Mitchell on a death certificate?
My concern has been solely with extracted/indexed Historical Records, not the trees. No wonder the trees go astray if the underlying source data are in error or misindexed. Of course one should always look at the actual records and not rely on indexes, but sometimes the indexes are all that is available.0 -
Leonard McCown said: A very disturbing thing about this is we will have to keep a list of these errors we find now, as we find them when we are doing research. Are we all doing that? By the time there is a vehicle to make suggestions, etc., we will have forgotten them if we depend on our memory.0
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Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: You are correct about indexing, But have you ever done indexing. Some is typed some is Legible, Some is Old writing and misspelling, and some is just down right hard to interpret, But I think what we need to also keep in mind is that share an idea is for an IDEA on how to improve it for us so the Engineers can help with programing support. Problems need to go thru The other link to Support for corrections. I sent 2 different ones into them after I responded to you last night, and I have a responce to both which I havent opened but is next from them.
Glad I could help.0 -
Pamela Lynn O'Brien said: If we don't we are Stupid or very Trusting that we will find to correct when they do get something fixed for us.0
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Carl Campen said: I applaude you for all of your efforts in dealing with this subject. "Correct" should not be the goal of this service. Documentaion and electronic input of these records, no matter how inacurate they may be, should be the goal. We, the users, should be the ones to use and decide what we feel is correct for whatever application that it applies.0
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Don Cameron said: Carl, even original records can be incorrect. Take for example the parish register of St Philip the Apostle Chruch, Avondale Square, Camberwell, Surrey, England where my grandfather was baptised, according to the original entry of his baptism, his mother is someone other than his real mother. Or my nephew who was married in church, but according to state records that marriage never took place. Reason, the minister who performed the ceremony was an alcoholic, and he failed to send in the paper-work to the state authorities. There are too many possibilities to rely upon either original records and or transcriptions as fundamentally correct. We, as you suggest, need some kind of system which allows us to view the original records, while at the same time allowing annotations to be made against either the original records or the transcripts thereof.
To be frank, I'd be willing to pay the LDS a small subscription to have such a service, consisting of some such small sum that would not preclude the less well off members of society, but at the same time give the LDS funds with which to get such a service up and running - nothing in life comes for free.0
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