Filea records access in Search Records section of detail page
edited September 28, 2020 in Suggest an Idea
Lorraine Anderson said: It would be very helpful if Church members could click on File in the Search Records section of a detail page to search and attach records as we ar able to do with Ancestry, Find My Past, My Heritage or Geneanet. I have created the free account that just became available to us, but don't see how to access those records without opening another window for File. The FamilySearch person I just spoke to was unable to figure out hoe to do it either. Thank you!
A van Helsdingen said: Once again, it is very disappointing that genealogy companies are giving free subscriptions to members of one particular religion. The result is that customers of other religions have to subside this arrangement.0
Juli said: It's not at all clear what it is you're trying to do.
You search for someone in Records Search. You get some results in a list. There are various ways you can interact with that list:
1L. Left (regular) clicking on the name opens a modal (pop-up overlay) window with the record details.
1R. Using right-click (or your system's equivalent) on the name, you can open the record details in a new tab or window instead of the (::expletive deleted::) popup.
2L. Left clicking on the camera icon opens the image associated with the index entry, in the current tab (i.e., replacing the search results).
2R. You can open the image in a new tab or window instead by using right click (or equivalent) on the camera icon.
3L. Left clicking on the twig button brings up the person card for the PID that the record is attached to.
3R. The twig is a stealth button, not a link, so right clicking is unavailable.
4L. Left clicking on the paper icon opens the record details in the current tab (replacing the search results).
4R. Same possibilities as 1R.
So by whatever method, you open and look at the record details and decide that yes, this is your relative, and want to attach the record to his/her profile on Family Tree. You do that using the blue "Review and Attach Record" button at the top right:
This brings up Source Linker, with a list of possible matches and your history list (people you've worked on recently), and a place to input a PID directly.
Does this serve the purpose you're looking for?0
Stewart Millar said: This is quite an old debate . . . and ought not to be characterised as preference to one religion over any other . . . in my view, it is better characterised as FS giving Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage etc. access to a vast amount of FS indexed records in exchange for shareholder benefits to FS shareholders - not too odd a corporate arrangement. And, you are not subsidising it - the FS shareholders have paid for it.
And . . . ancestry et al do not give access to everything they have to these FS shareholders.0
A van Helsdingen said: Since where were ordinary members of the LDS church "shareholders" of FS?
And why should non-LDS who have indexed thousands of records, donated money and done many hours at FHCs etc not be deemed a "shareholder" whilst a Latter Day Saint who has never donated either directly or through tithes, or done any volunteering is given free access to a growing list of subscription sites, valued at hundred of dollars.0
Erika Campbell said: Don't forget we are paying for it through our tithing, it isn't free for us either.If it was not for our tithing the Church could not pay for everything. Non-members can pay a nominal fee and receive access to the partner websites. I paid for Geneanet.org before it became a partner. So, just use and pay for those websites that are of interest to you and be happy that all that is available to everyone.
A van Helsdingen said: 1. Tithing is voluntary. In New Zealand where the LDS Church releases it finances, it can be calculated (using the total tithe collected, membership total and average incomes etc) that most Latter Day Saints (at least in New Zealand) choose to not tithe.
2. Non-LDS frequently volunteer and donate to FS. Many of the partnerships FS has are based on FS giving indexed records to the partner. How is it fair that indexing by non-LDS indexers is traded by FS in exchange for free subscriptions that we can never, by virtue of our religion, ever qualify for? FS also said back in around 2013 or 2014 that at some point non-LDS indexers would get special access to some records, but this promise has never been fulfilled.
I don't expect any reward for my indexing, but it's not right for FS: 1. Use the output of my indexing in business deals with informing me 2. Make promises and not keep them. For these reasons, over the last two years I've minimized my indexing on FS and chosen to index for other genealogical organisations.0
Paul said: Stewart and Erika
You must appreciate this will always be a sensitive subject for us non-members. Especially individuals like AvH, who has obviously given so much support to the closely related FamilySearch and LDS Church organisations over the years.
It should also be borne in mind that whilst FamilySearch might not impose restrictions on the rights of access of certain material to non-members of the Church, it does AGREE to such conditions.
Anyone should have the right to say whether they believe this is morally right, but equally they then have the option of taking the matter to the courts, if they have such strong feelings about the legality of such contracts. The expression, "Put up or shut up" comes to mind, which is largely why I generally remain quiet now on the issue.
It would be a sad day if an individual did decide to take action (i.e. legal) of this nature, but at least it might help in putting these divisive arguments to rest.0
Slotbuddy said: I, too, am a non-LDS volunteer and for that reason I will often choose avoid indexing or reviewing some projects because I know they are being done for ancestry.com. Many years ago we used to still get access to those records for no charge because they were done by FamilySearch but ancestry had assumed only LDS members were doing the work. Once they ascertained non-members were also doing it and getting access to the records in return, they made it part of the agreement. It was the only way LDS could get the information so they agreed. Now I try my best to avoid doing any projects that I know belong to ancestry. Sorry, but if my time is not worth their giving me some free use in return, then they can find someone else to do the indexing and reviewing.0
Robert Wren said: I believe the LDS church actually paid for the Ancestry 'mass' subscription.0
Robert Wren said: Hmm, how do you determine which are Ancestry projects? I've never noticed that.0
Erika Campbell said: I don't think so, they exchange records, which Ancestry.com has been using for a long time.
Tom Huber said: Ancestry has digitized records from some states and FamilySearch, others. For the most part, these records are available on both sites. (Idaho used Ancestry while Oregon used FamilySearch for death certificates)0