Changing the order of multiple births.(Twins)

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Geneve Spencer said: Joaquin Apodaca LVYY-LM7​​ and David Ramon Apodaca KNCV-1TK​​ are twins. Joaquin was born 1st and David 2nd. They are listed in the family in alphabetical order which is incorrect. One family history consultant said it didn't really matter, but it was a big deal to Jacob and Esau. If you could make a way to change the order of multiple births that would be great!

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Geneve Spencer said: Brett,

Wow! That was comprehensive. Thank you for the information. Yes, we can still hope!

Geneve

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Brett said: ☺

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Richard M. Smith said: If you know the correct birth, order, how about entering it as an "edit" under birth, with the note stating 1st or 2nd? Dick

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Jeff Wiseman said: Hmm. I wonder if a person could add a time prefix to the standardized date that would be accepted in a way that the names would sort correctly (sort of like adding a street address to a standardized place).

Likely no joy in that though, since the innards of the algorithms probably all swing on the standard places and dates.

But the old hacker in me thinks, "Hmm..."

:-)

This is a similar situation to the wording of sources in a source list. You can either have manual control or automatic sorting, but the automatic sorting has a few drawbacks. On something that occurs so infrequently as this though, the approach used for source list sorting probably wouldn't be worth the design effort.

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Brett said: Jeff

'No', adding the actual 'Time' prefix, does not currently work.

I have tried that in many various 'Formats' of 'Time', to no avail.

I have "Birth" records that actually record the 'Time' of birth for multiple births.

I realise that for such to work would require "Programming"/"Coding".

But, it is disappointing that we CANNOT "Switch"/"Correct" the order of birth for multiple births (usually, twins), if known.

Brett

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gasmodels said: I do not recommend this but if you enter an A or B in the title box for each child it will order twins with the one with A first and B second. It is a work around for anyone who is concerned about this issue. I personally do not find it that important to have twins in order just knowing there are two children born the same day is sufficient for me.

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Jeff Wiseman said: That's probably not worth the time. When the next person that comes along and changes something about the birth and provides a reason for the change, your original note will typically be blown away (unless they take specific action to keep it). However, that "note" field is for recording the reason why the most recent CHANGE to the birth place or date has occurred. The birth sequencing information is tangential to that.

The only way to properly do this is to add a "collaborate" Note to each of the twin's profiles describing the fact they had a twin and include the birth order or times in it.

Sometimes when it isn't real clear that two children in the family were twins, I will create a discussion on each of the twins and clone the Note into them including the PIDs. That way, if someone decides to incorrectly merge them together, the surviving PID will now have TWO Notes and discussions, each describing a different twin and because the discussions cannot be deleted, the person doing the merge will not be able to hide their incorrect action.

By the way, the reason I include BOTH a note and a discussion is that discussions are proprietary to FS. No-one else uses them. For years and years other record systems, GEDCOM files, and third party software, etc. *ALL* have notes associated specifically with the person record, and so when copying records between systems, the notes will always transfer and the discussion will NOT.

(the discussions were a poor attempt at a collaboration mechanism. The messages system in the FSFT is far better IMHO)

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Jeff Wiseman said: gasmodels, the sorting algorithm is not straight forward. As you can see in my attachment, it doesn't always work. If it did you could even do things like a prefix of "twin1:" were the colon in the name would make it stand out against the actual given name. But even this would likely get confused in other languages or cultures.