Query. Members TEMPLE List. TEMPLE Shared. What is significance of TEMPLE Icon over in 'left-hand' c

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Brett said: FamilySearch

Query

Members "Temple" List

"Share[d] with the Temple System"

What is the significance of the "Temple" Icon over in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box'; as opposed to, no such icon in the 'Check Box'?

Examples:

"Temple" Icon



NO "Temple" Icon



I have, read; and, am aware of, the "Knowledge Article":
What do the different temple icons and statuses mean?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/sal...

Particularly:



Does the "Temple" Icon in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box', signify that a "Temple" has "Printed" a "Card" for that "Ordinance"; and, therefore, you are 'Locked-Out', so to speak?

Whereas, if there is NO "Temple" Icon in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box'; then, that signifies that another User/Patron has "Reserved" the "Ordinance" through "OrdinanceReady"; and, therefore, you are also 'Locked-Out', so to speak?

Because, as far as I am ware, if you have "Share[d] with the Temple System", there is NO indication in one's "Temple" List for that/those "Ordinance(s)", if/that another Member User/Patron, either, (1) has got it (ie. also "Reserved" and "Printed") through "OrdinancesReady"; or, (2) has already got it because of a "Merge"/"Combine" situation; except, maybe the "Brown" coloured box; and, the absence of a "Temple" Icon over in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box'!?

I am sure this has been discussed previously; but, cannot recall - drawn a blank!?

Just curious.

'Thank You' in advance.

Brett

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Amy Archibald said: If there is another ordinance available on the same line, then there is no temple icon - meaning you can still unshare or unreserve the non-brown colored ordinance:



If there is not another ordinance available on the same line, then there is a temple icon - meaning this line is completely locked by the temple and you cannot do anything with that ordinance:

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Brett said: Amy

'Thank You'.
Answer: 'Yes'.
I am aware of that.
I just did not want to post all here.

I am just curious and really trying to confirm, whether or not, that that "Temple" Icon in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box', MEANS that a "Temple" has "Printed" the "Card" for that "Ordinance"; as opposed to, a Member User/Patron, either, (1) through "OrdinancesReady"; or, (2) a "Merge"/"Combine" - that is all.

Again, 'Thank You'.

Brett

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Amy Archibald said: The example above is from an Ordinance Ready print. I have others that look identical and they are printed by a temple.

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Alan E. Brown said: You need to look to the right to see the status of each ordinance (the boxes with B, C, I, E, SP, or SS in them). If an ordinance is brown (Shared Printed), then that means that it was shared with the temple and now has been printed (but has not yet been completed). Once a shared ordinance is printed, then that ordinance cannot be acted upon by the user who reserved it.

An ordinance that you shared with the temple system becomes available for a temple to print, or for some other user to receive through Ordinances Ready. While it is simply shared, it is red (Shared), and you can pull it back into your reservation list at any time ("Unshare with temple"). An ordinance that someone else has received through Ordinances Ready is treated just like any other ordinance shared with the temple -- once that user prints it, it has the brown status (Shared Printed) and you can no longer pull it back into your reservation list.

The checkbox on the left is used for selecting the row so that you can perform actions on the row. The only case where a row has no actions available is where every ordinance on that row is either completed, not available, or printed by the temple. In that case, the checkbox is replaced by a temple icon to show the user that it is not actionable (and that the reason is that the shared ordinance(s) have been printed).

So to answer your specific question, the temple icon on the left means that all available ordinances on that row were shared with the temple and now have been printed -- either by a temple or by another user via Ordinances Ready.

Merge really has nothing to do with this particular discussion; when two persons are merged, the statuses for all their ordinances are adjusted according to specific business rules. Once all those rules are applied, each ordinance will have a specific status. All the above discussion then applies to the adjusted statuses.

I do wonder about one detail about your question: for your sample row labeled "Temple Icon" you say that the row contains "Ordinances, Brown & Red". I've never seen that combination. If there are any red ordinances on the row, then I see the checkbox; if there are only brown ordinances on the row, then I see the temple icon. Do you really see that combination of a temple icon on a row that contains red ordinances?

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Jessie Hearle said: From my experience the temple icon can indicate an ordinance shared by Ordinances Ready, and not merely that the last ordinance is ready to be completed.

See screenshot

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Alan E. Brown said: Brett,

The temple icon that sometimes replaces the checkbox on the left side has one very simple meaning: the row is not actionable. That happens to only be the case when the ordinances on the row are all in the Shared Printed (brown) status, which is why a temple icon is shown rather than some other indicator. But really, that's all it means.

Everything else you are discussing is why a particular ordinance is in the Shared Printed status.

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Brett said: Alan

Interesting.

I had seen it in the past, when it was like my second image above, where all was on one line, where there was a "Temple" Icon in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box''; and, "B" and "C" were 'Brown' in Colour (ie. NOT actionable), and, the remainder "I"; "E"; and, "SP" were Red' in colour; plus, the latter were ACTIONABLE.

And, in fact, in the aforementioned case, the "B" and "C", which were 'Brown' in Colour, had in fact been "Printed" by a "Temple" (my local); hence, why I considered that the "Temple" Icon in the 'left-hand' column, 'Check Box'' meant, "Printed" by A "Temple", rather than a User/Patron.

Problem/issue is, I do not have any left - I will have to keep my eye on things to see if I get another that does not fit your mould.

Unless, the "Splitting" of an individual's/person's "Ordinances" between two (x2) separate lines in 'New'ish'.

Brett

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