Name field click on "See All Changes" now opens Changelog--now can't tell if someone has changed nam
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m said: Name field click on "See All Changes" now opens Changelog (instead of opening Changelog just for name field)--now can't tell if someone has changed name to a totally different person/changed profile to a totally different individual by changing just the first and last name inside the name field (without searching changlog using control F search for function "name change" which is too difficult).
It is a VERY common thing for someone to change the entire profile to a totally different person by changing the name field first and surname resulting in a mismatch between sources, spouse, children, and the name.
It is a VERY common thing for someone to change the entire profile to a totally different person by changing the name field first and surname resulting in a mismatch between sources, spouse, children, and the name.
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gasmodels said: If you open the change log then click on filter in the upper right of the screen and then click on name it will give you all the changes for the name only. The same as you used to get by editing the name and clicking "see all changes" that would give you only name changes. Similar for christening and other events. The Filter is the key to using the revised change log.0
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Gordon Collett said: So another part of the major update to the site is live now!
The number of filters we have now and the ease of using them is great.
The only filter missing is Merge.0 -
Pioneer42 said: exactly how is that a KEY? That is not how resolve something. The changes screen is about fixing your ancestor from corrupted changes! You only EVER resolve something by date. Yes, you have the capability to sorting. SO WHAT! If somebody comes into your ancestor and they have no idea what they are doing, which is like id say 60% of users. If they start making changes to your people, and you already have people that are watching all the time, they already know what to fix as they see it all from the date in the logs. I guess if you wanted to go one item at a time and correct it that way like birthdate and marriage date etc...(that would take forever). Anyways, the biggest issue is not any of that, it is the merges and incorrect sources that have made, it the worst change ever on this program now by far. Now to make a fix to it (before you ever made a change to a unmerge in the first place), you had to know what you were looking at. Since its all the same color and not being able to know where the merge starts or ends, and cannot see what the source is. Program is useless now. No bordering, just so incredibly painful to use now. words cannot describe from a season veteren in this program. Engineers do us all a favor and don't come out of college til you have at least 1 year under your belt in genealogy work on this program.0
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Jeff Wiseman said: WHERE ARE THE NOTES?!?
Are Notes not considered important by FS anymore?0 -
Gordon Collett said: Notes are still in the Change Log. They just didn't get a filter. I'm pretty sure they never had a filter because when you open the editing box for them is not, and never was, a see all changes link.
Could be a good future addition to the filters, however.0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: Well, with over 50 selections that also include sources from the sources list and Discussions from the discussions list, it is very odd (and telling) that Notes from the Notes list is missing. I just don't think that the FS engineers have the vision to see just how useful and important the notes could be in the system. But there are so many "alternatives" they just don't seem to be caring too much about them.
In the mean time the main notes feature is dying of neglect. Energy is being syphoned off into maintaining many other "Notes" type features. These other features are like suckers on a fruit tree. Any good farmer knows that even though those suckers might eventually produce fruit, you regularly have to sucker your trees (i.e., remove the suckers) so that the main tree can thrive.0 -
gasmodels said: I don't know why you would necessarily want a notes filter. I guess I cannot think of a time you would every want to see all the add, changes and deletion of notes. But then again merge is in the same category. There is no sort to look at all merges. You have to scan the complete list to look at merges. Personally I would much rather see a filter to show me all merges on a record before I would desire a filter to show me all note changes. Maybe this is because as you have stated Jeff the notes in Family Tree are significantly underused and not very functional since they cannot be directly tied to any specific event or relationship.0
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Jeff Wiseman said: Yes, that is basically it. If we were using the notes to house things like life sketches, genealogical proofs or other derivation logic for how vital conclusions are arrived at from their start in the sources. Discussions are also in the category, but they have their own sort button. Go figure.
If the notes WERE being used for these things that they should be, for sure you would want visibility in the change history logs. But the notes are NOT being used for these things because it is as if FS is trying to evolve them out of the system. As a result, new users, and other folks not as familiar with computers (or even genealogical documentation for that matter) don't even look at the area and don't know what it is for.0 -
gasmodels said: If you go to a merge on the left hand side there is a small icon that looks like a V. If you click that icon it will rotate 180 degrees and open up all changes associated with the merge. The relationships added the sources added etc. There is probably more information regarding the merge than you could ever use but I believe it would give you everything you would need to verify the merge is correct or needs to be undone.0
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m said: Worse news.
Now when you open the Name Field and click on "See All Changes"---it takes you to PEDIGREE VIEW!!
(Yikes!!)
Computer bug.0 -
Tom Huber said: I'm not having that problem -- Chrome with Windows 10.0
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Tom Huber said: Getting back to the original poster's concerns, see the record for Pieter Claesen 9312-XFX, go into the Change Log with See All, then click on filters and select Name in the Vitals section. There are a lot of changes, but you can see the chronological progression, along with the lengthy Reason this information is correct.0
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Jeff Wiseman said: I'm seeing that bug too!
Safari AND Firefox on macOS Sierra0 -
Gordon Collett said: The "See All Changes" link in the Name field edit box takes me to the Change log and has the Name filter preapplied so I only see changes to the name, which is what m expected to see which started this post.
This on on Mac OS Catalina 10.15.4 with Safari 13.1.
Try it again. Looks like completing the installation of the new change log to get the filters working as expected had a couple of glitches along the way.
(Don't know if you ever noticed, but with the old change log, when you clicked on "see all changes" in the name field, you also went to the complete change log with the name filter selected at the top of the page which you could click off to see the complete change log. So the new change log is working now the same as the old one, but with all the new filters.)0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: As it turns out ALL of the vitals when edited and you select "See All Changes" takes you to the pedigree view. At least it takes you to the correct person :-)
This is odd. It was working correctly with the new change log views the other day. Now it appears broke on my system0 -
gasmodels said: I am seeing the same as Gordon windows 10 with Chrome as the browser. I second Gordon's comments above. Jeff, I just verified what you are seeing in Firefox. Seems to be an issue with that browser. I am sure someone is working on it as I believe they are still installing. You will also note that when you go to the all changes page from the right hand column, the page header is a change to match beta and the new messages, notification icons. notification works but messages does not. I will be patient for a couple of days to see if things get worked out.0
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Jeff Wiseman said: I did just remove all cookies and rebooted my system. Same thing. "See all Changes" under ANY vital's edit window takes me to the pedigree chart. And that is with Firefox OR Safari/.0
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Pioneer42 said: Except the sources which with 180 degrees shows you nothing, and yes its still all in blah color and mixed with the other stuff, do you see what I'm saying here? I need to know the bottom of the merge so that Im not confused with the person before it doing whatever, its just so crazy now. Basically USELESS, and what was once simple is now forever ruined to whatever it is now. Makes me not want to do anymore work. So awful it is. Worse then the hoax virus almost this is, I guess its clear they do not want people touching anything anymore on this program. Too many errors. I'm almost done. This close...Maybe if we wear a mask and also stop touching the mouse it will get better.0
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m said: It is back to normal on Firefox.
Whew!0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: Definitely NOT back to normal here. See All Changes under an edit ALWAYS brings up a pedigree chart with the person in question at its root.
Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac17,1
Processor Name: Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 3.3 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 8 GB
Boot ROM Version: 170.0.0.0.0
SMC Version (system): 2.34f2
macOS Sierra 10.12.6
Safari 12.1.2
Firefox 76.0.1
Been a week now0 -
Tom Huber said: I just saw some strange action with Chrome (Windows 10) from the details page Change Log. But the problem is still there for Chrome from any of the Edit Screens. I was working with Pieter Claesen 9312-XFX which has pages of changes, so change log size may have had something to do with this.
When I first pressed on the Edit from the birth in Vitals (the first one I opened for Pieter) and pressed Show All Changes, the system opened what would normally be the change log screen with a spinning wheel indicating that the information was loading. Then the spinning wheel disappeared after after a while, the screen was replaced by the pedigree view.
The problem we are seeing may be related to the amount of entries in the change log and the code isn't scaling properly.0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: I just tried the two configurations that I mentioned above and in both cases they still go to the pedigree screen...0
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Tom Huber said: Make sure you clear the history for all time as well as the cache images and files. I believe it is the latter that is responsible for the system bringing up the pedigree.0
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Gordon Collett said: I cleared the browser cache and restarted my desktop machine this morning. Afterwards See All Changes still went to the pedigree. Just checked again, about five hours later and those links are working correctly in Safari. I did not clear any history.
I have not cleared caches in Firefox. Going there now... And the links still don't work.0 -
Gordon Collett said: In Firefox, cleared cached data, quit the program, opened back up, and links still don't work. So there is some progress as far as repairing the fundamental bug but it is not completely fixed yet.0
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Amy Archibald said: I'm not having this issue of the redirect to a pedigree.
Last night I had the change log revert to the old format. Then I refreshed my screen and it was the new format.0 -
Siv Collett said: This is one of the weirder bugs that have ever shown up. There seems to be some type of machine dependance. No trouble at at all (like you) on my laptop but I do see the bug on my desktop machine that has the same versions of both operating system and browsers. Just this afternoon things starting working right on my desktop computer in Safari, but I still have the bug in Firefox.0
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Gordon Collett said: This is one of the weirder bugs that have ever shown up. There seems to be some type of machine dependance. No trouble at at all (like you) on my laptop but I do see the bug on my desktop machine that has the same versions of both operating system and browsers. Just this afternoon things starting working right on my desktop computer in Safari, but I still have the bug in Firefox.0
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Juli said: Earlier this afternoon I got the pedigree view when I clicked on one of the three latest changes on a profile. This evening, I got the new change log after clicking on the same change on the same person on the same computer.0
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Jeff Wiseman said: It finally appears to be working at present for me as well on both Safari and Firefox on macOS Sierra.0
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