Lift restriction on Records Viewing

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Jorge said: Now due to the pandemic, it is impossible to have access to a Family History Center in order to view all records.
For some countries you can see old records online as they have not been indexed. In our case Chile, as it is supposed to be all indexed, there is no way to see old records to check for accuracy or even big indexing mistakes. Even some missing information that is supposed to be there but it was lost with the big change years ago.
Can it be possible to lift the restriction to the Chile ́s database, so images can be seen online ?
thanks
Jorge

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Pioneer42 said: Yes been saying that forever too Jorge! Would love to have access to all the records, but it is counties and governments that are making money off of us and WONT ALLOW it to happen. Copyrights and other bla is how they go about it. Its ridiculous in my opinion, but the world and satan will try to keep the records out of our hands as much as possible. But I find it ironic that they allowed the church to go in and get many of them in the early 1900s and so forth but now its a problem.

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Tom Huber said: This banner is attached to the top of the Search... Records... screen

Due to contractual obligations, FamilySearch cannot offer expanded access to historical records that are restricted to family history centers and affiliate libraries, despite the temporary closure of these facilities. We apologize for the inconvenience caused by COVID-19 precautionary measures.

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Jorge said: Hi Pioneer42, in our case the government or other doesn ́t make any money from it as there is no public or private organization( example: like the ones for scotland) that offer the service.
In fact there are some of the records that have no restriction to see them usually indexes.
Now already 3 months without acces to family history centers and we do not know how many more months this will go on.

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A van Helsdingen said: Restrictions are the result of contracts between FS and the owner ("custodian") of the records. Sometimes the custodian is the archive or original owner, in other cases publishers such as Ancestry.com, MyHeritage and FMP are the custodians.

It is possible for FS and record custodians to negotiate temporary contracts that relax the rules for a short period of time. Ancestry.com did such a thing with the US National Archives (NARA) and the UK archives voluntarily dropped fees for many of their records. However FS has not announced that have done this.

If the custodian is an archive or government, participating in local politics and elections, and using Freedom of Information Laws to make the contract publicly available are the most likely ways to get the restrictions relaxed.

In some cases mistakes are made, and records are restricted when they do not need to be. In these cases, if you have evidence (such as a copy of the contract, or privacy laws), you can try contacting FS and asking them to check if the restrictions are right.

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Francie Whitfield said: Jorge, Is there a specific record you've found that you don't have access to view an image of the original document? or are there several records? If so, can you share the FamilySearch record link to at least one?

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A van Helsdingen said: If you share the exact details of the record, there is a chance that someone knows why that record is restricted.

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Jorge said: Francie, it is not an specific record, is the fact that I can not trace records that have dissapeared or are somewhere it is not possbile to find: in one part of Chile, there was an old church called, Rosario Lo Solis and and for small villages there was "Curato de Navidad". Navidad was a big village where the Registry was kept and handled several other village close by.
Since the change, several years ago, you can find records in FS either by Serach records directly or by searching or by searching IGI records (https://www.familysearch.org/search/c...) There is not one single record that you can find from that Church and from the Curato de Navidad using the Search Record option. You can only find records searching IGI either indexed or provided by the community.
In the past I saw my ancestors name in the records I saw viwing the rolls of film provided at the Family history center. Now I still can not find them, Problem is: they are all supposed to be Indexed, but if they are, then they are not in the search engines available to us. That is why I request access to the digital images, like they have for Argentina, where I can read page by page of the books.
Another example the missing records of a church that is not even in the Catalog and is a very very old church called: Iglesia de la Veracruz where the construction started in 1852 in Santiago, Chile. My grandmother and was baptized and I can not find any record for her.
Sometimes it is very frustrating but....
I keep looking
thanks

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A van Helsdingen said: Is this it ?: https://www.familysearch.org/search/c...

It's worth keeping in mind that all online records on FS or any other genealogy website can be taken offline at any time if the record owner requests it. For example, in 2009 the Roman Catholic Church adopted a policy that their records must not be on FS. While it is widely ignored (the record I have linked to is proof of that), some parishes and dioceses have complied with this policy and have removed their records from FS.

You should therefore always try and download images when you view online records on a genealogy website. You can't guarantee they will available next time you search for them.

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Tom Huber said: There is also a recent problem with record sources having 410 and other errors. The FS engineers are aware of the problem and have partially resolved it. There are still some problems remaining, but hopefully this particular issue will be completely resolved. Most of the impacted records were marriage records from Ohio, not a different country.