Please let us dismiss "unfinished attachments" when someone unrelated has been incorrectly indexed a
So what I want is the ability to dismiss a suggested person when they are unrelated, to make the "unfinished attachment" suggestion go away for this particular source.
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Brett said: Chris
FYI
This suggested enhancement has been made in some recent posts in this Forum; and, we have by advised by "FamilySearch" that the enhancement is being worked on and will be released soon.
Here are two (x2) of the previous post on the matter:
New - Unfinished Attachments Feature
https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...
Unfinished Attachments Feature
https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...
I hope this helps.
Brett
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Nothing on this issue since Nov 2019 and I have a similar request - that when you come across an unrelated person while attaching sources using the Source Linker - can we "dismiss" the source while still in source linker. Currently I have to attach all the family members using source linker and then go to the sources page for one of the individuals and click on "Dismiss" when there are boarders or other unrelated people on the record.
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It is not necessary to attach the person in the record to another person, it is only necessary to attach the record to a person profile. So I sometimes make a new profile for the unrelated farm hand.
If the family household is large, it is far less work to create a profile for the farm hand, than to visit each of the profiles of the family members and dismiss the "unfinished attachments" message on each one.
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Okay, but I don't like the idea of creating a record for an individual who is not connected to any family members. I agree that would be easier, but don't think I would do it. I would prefer to have a button on the Source Linker page that allows me to "Dismiss" the hint from the profiles of all the people it is attached to.
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@sgtstewart,
Do you want your dismissal to be only for your own view, or for every contributor who ever views the source record attached to a profile?
By the way, one other reason I very often make a profile for the boarder, lodger, or other seemingly unrelated person in a household is that so often the person turns out to be related after all.
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Yes, they sometimes do turn out to be related - I do note them in my records just in case I find the connection down the road. It would be nice if the system would ask me then (in the source linker) if I want it to be dismissed for my view only or for every contributor? I suspect there would be times when I would want it for myself only and other times when I would see that there really was no relation and would feel comfortable marking it dismissed for everyone.
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Why not think about it some more and then describe in more detail what you would like to see and do here.
From the source linking page the natural task would be to dismiss an unrelated person record from certain of the profiles of other persons. Say there are two families in one household: Mary X and her family employ Jane Y and her family. Right now what we do is visit all the source lists for each person in family X to hide the family Y persons, and vice versa. That can be tedious. Could it be done wholesale from the source linking page?
What if there are more than 2 sets of unrelated persons in the household? A set can have just 1 person in it. This week I did a census record for a family with 8 live-in employees, all different surnames.
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "It is not necessary to attach the person in the record to another person, it is only necessary to attach the record to a person profile." What is the difference between attaching it to another person vs. attaching it to a person profile? My experience is that I would create a person in Family Tree and attach the record to that person in Family Tree. How is that different from attaching it to a person profile?
I've been experimenting and it appears that if I click on the Dismiss on the sources page for one person on the record, I have to go to each of the other people that it has been attached to and click dismiss from their pages as well - I did not know that. I thought that if I dismissed it from one person it dismissed it from everyone. That makes my request even more desirable because it is a pain to have to go to every individual in a census, for example, and click dismiss for each family member because there is a non related person living with the family - a boarder, servant, or whomever.
If I can dismiss them at the time that I am attaching the source in Source Linker I think I would want the system to dismiss it from every person that I attach the source to using the Source Linker as well as anyone that someone else had previously attached the source to before I looked at it.
I'm assuming in your example of two sets of unrelated person in a household that if I have connected the source to the Mary X and her family and then clicked on Jane Y and her family, the census would show up in a search or as a record hint for Jane Y and her family. But it sounds like that may not be true since they are included in the Mary X and her family? Please clarify.
If it is true that the system would still find Jane Y and her family in a search and/or provide record hints for each individual in her family, then that would be the time to attach the record to them rather than when you are attaching it to Mary X and her family, thus dismissing them when I am working on Mary X and her family would be appropriate.
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My comment "It is not necessary to attach the person in the record to another person, it is only necessary to attach the record to a person profile." is a reference to the website linker page, the one with header "Attach Historical Records to Family Tree". There it is difficult to attach a record to the profile of a person not related to others on the record. This task is now much easier on the Family Tree phone app.
Given a fairly typical household in a census record, the complexity seems low. That is the situation I think you are describing, @sgstewart. An automated software solution, however, must work for all households including what the US Census Bureau now calls congregate living places: boarding schools, orphanages, veterans' retirement homes, prisons, hospitals, convents, etc.
What I would like is, when I am on a source list and I dismiss a source, I would like a pop-up that presents a check list of other person profiles from which I may want to dismiss the source. The pop-up could also have "dismiss all" and "un-dismiss all" buttons. This would be a powerful and convenient l tool; would its use be clear enough that it wouldn't be too often misused?
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You can easily attach a record to another individual not related to the family using the Source Linker (I believe that is what you are referring to as "the one with header Attach Historical Records to Family Tree") IF you know the ID number of the individual in Family Tree. You can click on the "Change" button and type in the ID number. I don't use my phone app, so I don't know how that is easier to do so. But I'm still confused. When I attach a source to a person in the record, aren't I attaching the record to a person profile? What is the difference between attaching it to a person and attaching it to a person's profile? (I'm thinking you are referring to creating a new person to attach it to a person and attaching it to an existing person is what you are referring to as attaching it to a person's profile - is that what you mean?)
If I create a person I am still attaching the source to that person's profile, so to me they are one and the same.
I agree that the complexity seems low, but I only described the situation you referred to regarding Mary X and Jane Y. Most of the time what we see is a family with unrelated boarders or servants included on the census.
I would love the "Dismiss all" button that you describe, but agree that not everyone is going to understand what it does. (Not everyone understands what it does on the Sources page of an individual now). It would probably be good to have a pop up describe what it does and add a note that if you don't know what to do to just leave it alone.
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On the phone app it is much easier to create a new person profile while attaching a source to an unrelated person on the record, if the profile does not already exist.
The difference is, on the web page if the person is unrelated the source cannot be attached to the person's profile unless you first go to a separate window to search and find else create the PID, then paste the PID into the correct change menu.
The web page has built in the assumption that all persons on a record are related; the phone app is now more relaxed about that.
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A small extension of the existing tool would be to add a block where we can drag and drop an unrelated person. Once in that block, the left-to-right "+" icon would be present and we could create the new profile right there, as we do for related persons.
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That sounds wonderful to me. I do not use the phone app (Sorry, screen is too small and it is so much more pleasant to use my computer where I have three monitors set up and can drag and drop from one screen to the other as well as look at more information at once to come to conclusion about whether a source should be attached to an individual. The phone app is great for those sources that are obvious, but doesn't work well when more research is required).
I would have a hard time creating a new person profile for an individual not related to my family without doing the research to make sure they weren't already in Family Tree. That's why I would prefer to just dismiss them. I don't want to research that individual - I want to spend my time on my relations.
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(The phone app now supports multiple pages, which makes a huge difference.)
Hm. Sounds like what you want is to dismiss (or hide) some persons on a record from your own view.
I don't worry about whether unrelated persons on a record have a profile already, before I make one. If they annoy me I just do it. Sometimes as I am doing it I get a pop-up: a profile already exists. I accept it and I'm done. Other times I might be making a duplicate, but at least it will be a duplicate attached to a record, so relatively easy for other contributors to find and merge.
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To illustrate attaching unrelated persons...
This would be super handy for census records where two unrelated families are in one household. Work flow would look like this:
- Attach all members of one family.
- Attach the head of the other family in the Others on Record (Not Related) block.
- Use the Change menu to make that person the Person of Record.
- Attach all members of the second family, exactly as usual.
Result would be two families properly linked internally and not linked to each other. In step 3, once the Person of Record is switched, all the members of the first family would appear in the Others on Record (Not Related) block. More unrelated persons on the record could be added to that block.
This would make it so much easier to attach every person on a record to a profile.
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Looks great to me - although I have very rarely seen two unrelated families living together on a census - it happens, but I can't recall any - but I'm sure I've seen a couple. Most of the time its unrelated farmhands, servants or boarders. You do frequently get a daughter and a son-in-law and their children, but that's easy to handle with the current change focus feature.
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I see multiple families in one household very often, which is why I am so keen for this enhancement.
This thread has so many views and comments, yet no upvotes?
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