How do you find information on people in Germany?
In Calbe Prussia Germany, 1840 a family member was born Charles F Reinecke to Louis Reinecke and Harriet Stang. The only reason why I know the parents name is because it was on Charles death certificate. The parents are from Germany. I have searched and seen some that might be it, but I have no method to verifiy the records please help
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@White, Christopher Richard
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Christopher
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Have you tried the 'FamilySearch' "Catalogue" ...
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Germany, Preußen, Sachsen, Calbe
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https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/214636?availability=Family History Library
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As an aside ...
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I am "Tagging" this (General) 'Question' of yours, in this "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, to two (x2) specific 'Groups' in the Forum being:
(1) "Germany Genealogy Research"; and,
(2) "FamilySearch – Deutschsprachig" ... [ German speaking ]; and,
in the hope that, the members of those groups may be able to answer/assist you.
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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ps: Both, those Groups are "Public", which you can join, if you wish.
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@Germany Genealogy Research
@FamilySearch – Deutschsprachig
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Thank you Brett
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KrSt. (County Seat)
Calbe Saale, Bernburg, Magdeburg, Sachsen, Preussen see https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10287007, The Standesamt is in Calbe The Standesamt is where the Civil Registration Office is located.
The city has
1 Catholic parish church and 1 Protestant parish church. Look at Archion, Matricula and Ancesry, Familysearch.org to see if there are records availbale for thes city and your surnames.
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Toni 22
I dont understand, I am sorry,do you have a way to help me on this site?
Also I saw something stating 1871 to 1918 or something the year Charles was born was 1840
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* Archion https://www.archion.de/en/ Digitalized Lutheran church records in Europe
* Matricula http://data.matricula-online.eu/en/ Digitalized Catholic church records in Europe
* Online Heritage books http://www.online-ofb.de/ (ortsippenbuchs)
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Charles was probably not born with that name, but Karl. Similarily, his parent's names were probably translated into English.
1871-1918 are the years of the German Empire, the so-called "Second Reich". In 1875, the German Empire started registering births, deaths and marriages. Before then, you generally have to rely on church records.
I looked at Catholic records from Calbe on Matricula. The records start in 1863, see: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/magdeburg/calbe-saale-st-norbert/ The same records can also be found in the FS Catalog.
It's possible that records pre-1863 do exist. You should try and speak to a genealogical society that knows the area. If you must contact the Catholic parish or Diocese, do not disclose that you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints if that applies to you.
A brief search of Archion suggests they do not have records from Calbe. But there are some post-1815 records from the "Evangelical", that is Lutheran church, in the FS Catalog: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=46861&query=+place:"Germany, Preußen, Sachsen, Calbe"&subjectsOpen=538278-50
When I tried to access these records on the FS Catalog, I got a message that is an euphemism that generally means only Latter Day Saints can view these records. If you can't access these records, you'll have to contact the churches and discuss how to access them (almost certainly they'll want money).
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Now another question is how do you check for accuracy on findings? I have seen things that might have been right but no way to double check.
For example I will look up Henrietta Stange and i may find the correct parents but they wont include spouses name or childs name or anything so I dont add it
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The LDS church and its local libraries are closed during the pandemic. They do not charge. The reords can only be viewd from thir libraries so it will be to your benfit to wait until thay are able to open and you will be able to view the records on ther computers for no charge.
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The message "To view these images do one of the following:You may be able to view this image by visiting one of our partners' sites or the legal record custodian (fees may apply)" means that only Latter Day Saints can view the records. I have been told this by a FS Staff member. This is what I get when trying to access the Lutheran Calbe records from New Zealand, and I am not a Latter Day Saint.
My suggestion to Christopher is that if he should try to access these records himself and see what he gets. If he gets that message and is not a Latter Day Saint, then it is simply not possible for him to view those records, even at a Family History Center or Affiliate Library.
As to the question two hours ago, you must be very careful not to confuse different people with the same name. You should try and find a baptism for Charles in c.1840, Calbe with parents whose names are consisent with what the American records say. Then you can work from there.
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ALL
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FYI
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IF, the Records in 'FamilySearch' are, either, available at (ONLY) the "Family History Library" (FHL) of the Church, in "Temple Square" in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA; and/or, (ALSO) at "Family History Centres" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Libraries), around the World; THEN ...
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As the "Family History Library" (FHL) of the Church, in "Temple Square" in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA is still currently TEMPORALITY "Closed" (to the Public) due to the "COVID-19" Pandemic ...
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And ...
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IF, the "Family History Centres" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Libraries) nearest you are still TEMPORARILY "Closed" due to the "COVID-19" Pandemic ...
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Or, you just cannot get to a "Family History Centre" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Library) ...
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[ As some of the "Family History Centres" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Libraries), around the World, have "Reopened" ... ]
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THEN, can I humbly suggest that you consider trying the following ...
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You could try one of the FREE 'On-Line' Consultations through the "Family History Library" (FHL) of the Church in, "Temple Square", Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.
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Here is some links were you can access/book one of those Consultations ...
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Engage with the Family History Library Online
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Engage_with_the_Family_History_Library_Online
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.Family History Library Online Consultations
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Family_History_Library_Online_Consultations
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.I have seen/heard some good positive 'Feedback' from those who have used the service.
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But ...
That said ...
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Please be aware that you CANNOT be provided with a actual "Image" of that Record; but, you may be able to get (or, confirm) the information/details/data that you desire.
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'FamilySearch' may also be able to suggest where you can get a copy of the Record, other than through 'FamilySearch'; but, also at some expense, directly from the Record "Custodian"; or, through an external "Commercial" Website (eg. "Ancestry_com"; "MyHeritage_com"; ETC; Etc; etc ... ).
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Good Luck.
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And, here is a 'FamilySearch' "Blog" Article on the FREE 'On-Line' Consultations through the FHC ...
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https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/free-online-consultation/
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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@A van Helsdingen
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Question:
Where does the message:
"To view these images do one of the following: You may be able to view this image by visiting one of our partners' sites or the legal record custodian (fees may apply)",
appear, I have seen it before; but, not recently?
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As you know, I am a Member of the Church, I ask; as, there are MANY Records and Images that I CANNOT 'see' (ie. view/access) from home, where I MUST attend a, "Family History Centre" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Library), to view/access those Records and Images.
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I am not sure that that 'message' actually "... means that only Latter Day Saints can view the records ...", no matter who you have been told that by. And, was that person that told you, (1) part of 'FamilySearch' Personnel; or, (2) a (Volunteer) Staff Member of a "Family History Centre" of the Church; or, (3) a Staff Member of an "Affiliate" Library?
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Just curious.
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Brett
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I have attached images showing me attempting to attempt the very same film on two dates, and seeing in 2019 a message explicitly saying that only Latter Day Saints could access the film, and in 2020 the message I mentioned earlier. I have also attached a screenschot from a GetSatisfaction conversation a day or two after the next message was introduced. A FS Staff member said that the new message did not indicate any actual change. At that time, I checked many collections that I knew were Latter Day Saint only, and all had the new message. I've never seen a message about records being LDS-only since. I conclude that FS changed the wording of the messages for LDS-only records in October 2019 to "To view these images do one of the following: You may be able to view this image by visiting one of our partners' sites or the legal record custodian (fees may apply)".
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@A van Helsdingen
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I agree that Members of the Church do get more access than non-members (and, rightly so).
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And, do remember, I had seen the First 'Message', of a few years ago, both, when helping others; and, when I was not signed in as a Member of the Church.
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But, I have also seen the Second 'Message' of late, even when I was signed in as Member of the Church.
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Again ...
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As you know, I am a Member of the Church, and; there are MANY Records and Images that I CANNOT 'see' (ie. view/access) from home, where I MUST attend a, "Family History Centre" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Library), to view/access those Records and Images.
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Lets just be thankful that 'FamilySearch' DOES have so many Records and Images available, from ALL around the World; and, that many of those Records and Images are available for ALL.
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Brett
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I really do not understand why in our various discussions over the months and years, you keep repeating something along the lines of:
As you know, I am a Member of the Church, and; there are MANY Records and Images that I CANNOT 'see' (ie. view/access) from home, where I MUST attend a, "Family History Centre" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Library), to view/access those Records and Images.
So what? I am supposed to be sympathetic?
I could say:
As you know, I am a Member and Volunteer of FamilySearch, and; there are MANY Records and Images that I CANNOT 'see' (ie. view/access) from home, where I MUST attend a, "Family History Centre" of the Church (or, "Affiliate" Library), to view/access those Records and Images.
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If you are seeing the message as a signed-in Latter Day Saint, then I suspect the message is a "catch-all" message that covers a number of situations. It is not evidence against what appears very likely (indeed nearly certain), which is that the message usually means that the records are restricted to those who are Latter Day Saints. The other situations are probably quite rare, and may only apply to those who are Latter Day Saints.
Of course, we all know the reason why FS changed the message. They want to stop people (especially non-LDS) realizing that they, the big genealogical companies, and record custodians have agreed to give preferential access to Latter Day Saints, which they know to be against the law in most countries.
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Brett
You write:
"I agree that Members of the Church do get more access than non-members (and, rightly so)."
In the light of previous posts (non-members being indexers, FHC volunteers and making donations to the Church, etc., whilst we have been advised many LDS do not do any of this work, or even pay tithes) why do you believe LDS Church members should receive preferential treatment?
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Brett,
So if another religion had a relationship with a genealogical organisation similiar to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and FamilySearch, and this genealogical organisation, government archives and the big genealogy companies had agreements giving members of that religion preferential access to records, while members of other religions had to either pay, go to certain libraries to view records or even have no online access at all, you would be okay with that? Even if it was your own federal and/or state government's archives that were involved? It would not constitute religious discrimination or a violation of the principle of separation between church and state in your view?
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