How can I find which film continues after an existing one

Re Searching

I am struggling to find some records in the 1851 England & Wales Census

In the past I have found another person on the same sheet and then used that record data to gradually zero in to the target, and usually I find them under a corrupted name, so I'm able to attach the record.

At the moment, Search does not produce results no matter what variations I try.

With help from others I now know the reference of the record that I want but there is no way to search by reference, so I'm trying to work out which film applies to the locality so I can restrict the search to only that film and then work my way through.

So far I know that film number 101796198 ends at image 289 and that applies to census reference HO107 / 2323 Folio 458 Page 41
See: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP98-QLW

I'm actually looking for HO107 / 2323 Folio 563 Page 35

But which film follows on from 101796198 ?

It's not 101796199 like you would expect, that covers census piece 2324, Mirfield
and starts here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP98-QLK

There are a lot of records remaining in piece 2323, the last folios 675 to 681 cover Milton Row, Liversedge.

In fact, many families in Liversedge can't be found. All the census sheets of piece 2323 from folio 464 to 681 seem to be missing, or at least fail to produce results in a search for some reason.

If I could get the right film number then I might stand a chance.

Any ideas ?

Paul W

@Re Searching

As you have no doubt found, for some counties the 1851 Event Place detail is just that - i.e., in this case (for the most part) just ",Yorkshire,Yorkshire (West Riding), England". However, I tried a search of sources in this collection using "Liversedge" as the place name. Obviously, all this produced was a list of results for individuals born at Liversedge. See https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&q.anyPlace=Liversedge%2C%20Yorkshire%2C%20England%2C%20United%20Kingdom&q.anyPlace.exact=on&f.collectionId=2563939 . So I took a look at individuals born close to 1851 in an assumption they would still be residing there in 1851. One, a Margaret Ratcliffe, was still living there in 1861. Her 1851 record, like others I found, appears to be on film 101796155 (Update - this appears to relate to HO107/2303 records - see comments below). Another film number that came up in a similar check was 101796201 (but that appears to relate to HO107/ 2324).

However, all I can suggest is the rather long-winded method of going through the results pages (reached via the above link) to see if one of these does provide between, say, folio numbers 459 and 674. As suggested, I would concentrate on individuals born as close to 1851 as possible. Also, a check at Ancestry or Find My Past (where you can possibly search on the Residence place - Liversedge) might be a quicker way of finding individuals included in the missing range of these records (in HO107 / 2323), which you can then come back and search for on FamilySearch.

I would stress I have been unsuccessful (in an albeit rather limited search of the 1,203 names!) in finding any references to folios in the missing range, which might otherwise provide a precise answer to your query.

Of course, the simple answer could well be that the pages / folios concerned have been lost, not indexed, or not filmed. I had such an experience with an ancestor (1851 census for Essex) who had been indexed, but was not on two different films I checked (at London and Chelmsford). When I looked closely, just one page ("13") had been missed from filming. I reported this at the (then) Family Records Centre in London and found, on a visit a month later, the page was now included in the microfilm at the centre!

BTW - unless I am misunderstanding the comments, the page at https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=liversedge&_ser=HO%20107&id=C8971 appears to show certain Liversedge-related records might be included in HO107 / 2303, but I realise you are more interested in finding those apparently not to be found in HO107 / 2323.

Re Searching

@Paul W Thanks for looking.

After a lot more digging and help from others it seems that the remainder of that film hasn't been indexed by FMP. It's not surprising when you get to see the actual images. You really have to sympathise with the indexers. It's very difficult to make out the content.