Verify Places
Every so often I get in the unverified box: Brooklyn, AD 23 , ED 23, Kings, New York, United States but the only option I have Brooklyn, New York without the Kings. Why is that? And can we get that updated in the system so I can pick it
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Brooklyn, Kings is already on the standardized list.
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I do not have that as an option when trying to correct place names
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Douglas, can you please stop shouting?
Where exactly are you trying to "correct the place names"? Why do you think that "Brooklyn, Kings, New York" is not one of your options? It's the second item in the drop-down if I type as far as "Brooklyn".
I can even add the enumeration district to the displayed placename and still keep it linked to that same map point ("standard").
Given your use of the words "verify" and "correct", I wondered if you were doing the "help fix placenames" activity (the one that's still labeled as "new", despite having been around since before the pandemic) -- but the desired standard came right up if I entered the placename as you posted it.
(I also checked with the all-caps text, and no, the standard-picking algorithm doesn't care if you shout.)
I'm out of ideas about where in FS's vast sprawl you're seeing this problem.
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I am not shouting. This is the way I type so quit assuming before knowing the facts. Look at the attachments and you will find where this happens to where I can not pick Brooklyn, Kings when I should
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You may not intend it that way, but all caps is shouting. You should be able to turn it off very easily; the Caps Lock key is usually just above the left-hand Shift key on your keyboard.
It looks like they've done a slightly-revamped version of the "help fix placenames" activity, but it appears to work much the same as the old one. The correct standard comes right up if I paste your text into the box.
(Naturally, I didn't happen to get Brooklyn as my unverified placename, so I can't see what happens if that text is in the top box rather than the bottom one, but all of the ones I've gotten give the same options either way.)
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Interesting. First let me stress that I did NOT save anything incorrectly!
It looks like the verify place name activity now includes checking the date of the event:
With a date prior to 1898 or no date it offers the version with Kings. With a date after 1898 I only get the version without Kings. The place name can only be linked to the standard for the appropriate time period. Since 1898 is included in both time periods, I would if you get offered both if the event date was 1898? I assume with no date it would offer whichever one I typed, but I did not test that.
I wonder if in general there is a move afoot to encourage people to use the place name as it was at the time of the event?
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Mod note - This conversation has been move to the Get Involved category. Posts have been edited out of an all caps format. Please see the Community Code of Conduct for details.
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1898 was the year of consolidation of New York City. Brooklyn, Kings County became Brooklyn, New York City. Many post-1897 records have been indexed as Brooklyn, Kings, and especially the New York State censuses (1905, 1915, 1925).
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To comment on "And can we get that updated in the system so I can pick it." Because you are just linking a standard, which is only a dot on the globe defined by latitude and longitude, to the user entered place name without changing the user entered place name and because as far as the Places database is concerned the two versions of Brooklyn are the same dot with the same latitude and longitude of 40.6360, -73.9510 (see: https://www.familysearch.org/research/places/?focusedId=4608875&pagesize=100&text=brooklyn,kings ) it really doesn't matter which version of the text is linked in this Improve Place Name job. The program cares more about the actual geographical location than its name.
What is important for other researchers is that the user entered name is correct.
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