show christening data as an alternative to birth data when NO birth data is available
new person page, when you click on a child or other person that is not the main person, if no birth information is included for that person, no "useful" data shows, even when there IS christening data, Before you made your "improvements" if no birth information showed, then christening data, if included for an ID, would show. please bring back this useful function.
please add a function for christening data to show when no birth information is available in the new pop up 'person or tree' box, would save many steps in verifying data and hopefully stop wrong merges.
Please do NOT expect genealogists to add invented birth data when christening data is the only record available. Just please add the ability to see the christening date and place when no birth information is available. thanks
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C Hutchinson
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Dear Programmers,
I agree with everything said by CHutchinson7! Please bring back this useful tool to see the christening information in the "pop-up" window when clicking on a person's name if there is no birth information.
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I completely agree. Please include christening information when birth info is not available and include burial information if death info is not available. Many church records only have dates of baptism or dates of burial.
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Agreed. What are the programmers thinking of when they make such regressive changes as this?
As shown, Mary no longer has the 1725 christening event shown in the pop-up, so it seems the programmers are forcing us to enter an approximate birth date in that field of the Vitals. I have generally made a deliberate choice to leave the birth detail blank, knowing an "about 1725" appearing in the box will not be as useful as the 26 December 1725 christening date that would displayed before this update.
As suggested, the full christening detail was particularly useful where the birth date is unknown and there might have been a number of Mary Greengrass births (cousins, etc.) in the same area and time period. This really was a help in immediately identifying the different individuals, in order to avoid incorrect merges, etc.
We waited so long for this useful "proxy" detail to appear in other parts of Family Tree (e.g. Following - where the field was originally also blank if there was no birth data inputted), so please reverse this backward step as soon as possible.
At least the christening year still appears in "Following" (to help distinguish between any other Mary Greengrass who might be on my list), but if this practice (of not substituting a christening year for a missing birth one) is extended to the Following area it will cause even more difficulties:
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After re-reading the comments of @L. Barney I realised it would have been better to enter the following example, instead. I know Diana lived from about 1731 to 1764, yet the pop-up implies nothing whatsoever is known about her lifespan. Yes, the omission of burial information is even worse than the christening/birth situation - in 99% of cases (with Family Tree entries) the burial follows death very soon after.
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When clicking on peoples names you get a pop up window that before today used to include the date and location a person was born or the date and location where they were christened if birth was unknown, and the date and location a person died. Today it looks like only the date of birth and death are included in that pop up. Is there any way to get location back. Having the location was helpful.
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If we are talking about the same pop-up, I am still seeing the location name, as well as the date, for the Birth and Death events:
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I should have guessed that no longer showing christening / burial data - where there is no Birth and Death detail inputted - applies to pop-ups from wherever viewed. The example below shows the situation when viewing from the Following section:
My fear is that the engineers will take this one stage further and we will be where we were in the first few years of Family Tree: having no visible data even in the Following list itself, if only christening / burial data have been entered. (i.e., the helpful 1630-1690 approximate lifespan of Richard Barley would no longer be visible from the Following section.)
I'm sure most users want to see enhancements to the program, not regression. Would be grateful if this could be referred to the engineers, @Maile L (or another moderator). Hopefully, this is happening by accident, rather than design, and the matter can be rectified.
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beta/familysearch.org has been removing indexed information from indexed historical records (no images to verify what should have been on the indexed historical record). they are also mixing the order of the indexed historical records information, so you have a hard time figuring what information belongs to which person. (child as husband of mother???). Because of all the added, extra information to the indexed record the historical indexed record is no longer valid because the added information is not part of the original document that was indexed. Most of Historical Indexed source records are not printable. (Indexed information is gone. 'Similar records with the icons are already attached as sources to this person's detail page which lists all sources attached to this person's FID#). "Attached to Family Tree" PID number is the same as each listed Icon FID# (If different FID# then it may be a duplicate or not for the current person. If no Icon then it may be a record not yet attached to the tree.
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I am researching this one
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I think your link to the other thread solves the problem. Now for the christening and burial info to be re-added lol.
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I think a solution (everywhere) would be to get rid of the pop-up boxes that we've had for years and replace it with what we have now when looking at the tree. When you click on someone's name in the tree a pop-up appears on the right side of the page with everything in the profile. This would be better than the box because some people only have christening dates but some people assume people were born in the same year so they put the year in the date of birth section even though maybe they were born in December but the year could refer to any time from January 1 to December 31. If we continue using the boxes we've been used to then we could be missing out on info. The same thing happens with burial/date of death as with christening/date of birth.
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Or, maybe, just fix it rather than risk another major site redesign. The dates being shown in pop-up boxes isn't causing the sloppy editing. People are going to copy Christening dates to the birth field and burial info to death fields because they can't be bothered with the distinction and most of the places they're blindly copying from, like Find a Grave or Ancestry , don't even have separate fields.
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The new person card is a serious disimprovement. It is, in fact, basically non-functional: it may as well not exist, because much of the time, it doesn't tell us anything that we can't see without it.
I got a "possible duplicate". I went through the extra clicks and opened the other profile; it was a parent in an index-based legacy-data tryptich. These never have any date or location information on the parents, only on the child. So I scrolled down to Family Members to see the date on the child, and then clicked that name to see the location -- but it wasn't there. Neither the date visible below the name nor the location to go with it appeared anywhere on the person card. The card had less information than the barebones summary of the Family Members view.
FamilySearch, PLEASE restore the functionality of the person card, and please avoid such backwards leaps in the future.
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We appreciate you bringing this problem to our attention. The issue has been reported to the appropriate team, who will research the problem to find a fix. We will get back to you as soon as we have an answer. Thank you so much for your kindness and patience while this is being addressed.
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The summary display box for a person when it is clicked on eliminates the birth if there is only a christening (and no date). It should show either the birth or the christening date and place (if the birth is missing).
This would be so helpful as one has to currently go to that person's page to see a christening record, which takes a lot of extra time. And this time is important and could be used to further the work more efficiently.
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There is broad agreement with your observation. It has been discussed here before and the engineers are looking into it.
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The vast majority of human history is pre-1837, when at best you might have a baptism, christening or burial.
So why prevent the new, smaller, pop-up box from showing those details?
If people put assumptions in the Birth and Death, just to be visible in the pop-up, that could lead everyone away from facts.
As so many people put a dozen random SMITH children under the same parents just because of first names, we need to be able to click Child 1 pop-up, Child 2 pop-up etc to see if there is a consistent pattern of location. (And hope its not a spread across multiple counties in England)
The alternative is to open each child and wait for this website to draw the necessary windows - an aside, I don't know what you have done in the last couple of months to slow everything down, but it has become painfully slow.
Spinning circles, half-greyed partial completion of areas of the ID. Tiresome. Almost like you and FMP share IT infrastructure, as it is bad on both. But not others.
It does feel, in fact, that changes are regularly a step backwards, not an improvement.
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Mod note- discussions on the same topic have been merged here. This is a known issue that is being addressed.
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In the same manner as Christening data is substituted in summary cards / sections when no Birth detail has been inputted, the same used to apply to the substitution of Burial data when the Death fields had not been completed.
However, this situation was reversed some time ago, although I believed the matter had subsequently been resolved. Not so, as I just noticed. The burial data is substituted at the top of the Details page and on the Following page, but not whwn it comes to the two instances illustrated.
I would be grateful if a moderator would kindly highlight this ongoing inconsistency to the appropriate team.
Note the 1739 burial date appears on the Landscape view (as well as at the top of the Details page and where the individual has been added to ones Following list), but Burial is not substituted for Death (in the same way Christening is for Birth) on the right of the screen, nor in pop-ups:
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