I created a new person in FamilySearch. Can I reference this person from MyHeritage
I'm in the process of creating a family tree using my on-line MyHeritage account. I'm concerned that some of the family links in my tree have not been fully substantiated. So I started to have a closer look at how FamilySearch organise their records, and I realised that a key component of a FamilySearch person record is the "person ID" (PID).
I found some FamilySearch data in relation to the birth of a historical family member, however the 12 million person records I also found did not seem to fit my family member. So a created a new PID for this person, which I also linked to the birth data that I had found earlier. Now I think I understand the limitations of accessing the PID from my MyHeritage account, so I'm happy to wait for the PID to be "published" and to be made available to the wider community.
My question to the forum is, when will this record be searchable so that I can reference it in my MyHeritage family tree? 😐️
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I spoke too soon. I rechecked the link to my Anna Mária after your last comments, and voilà, she has appeared out of the blue. I can only assume that MH has fixed the problem. I've been sitting here all day with my nose on the space bar waiting for a change. Yes I had the impression that the baptism record was 'recently' added. You confirmed that when you explained in your first posting about the 8 character FS ID.
This is a big deal for me, as it potentially opens up that side of the family. I'm happy for this thread to be closed. Thankyou for your help.
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The new profile should be immediately searchable/findable on FS.
I wonder if you're confusing the identifiers of indexed records with profile IDs? Both can be found at the end of the URL of the relevant detail page, and both can have the same NNNN-NNN format. (Newer index entries have more characters. For example: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6J3D-MGLL is new; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFKF-NDR is older.)
The goal of the collaborative tree on FamilySearch is to have one and only one profile per deceased person. I would say that this makes the profile the key component of the tree's structure. The profile's ID -- the randomly-assigned alphanumeric string that the computer identifies it by -- is largely immaterial; it may change, if someone finds a duplicate and does a merge.
Another possible source of confusion is the overloading of the word "record" that both FS and MyHeritage are guilty of. I find MH's usage particularly annoying, because they treat/label tree matches the same as actual historical record matches, despite those two things being entirely different species. (And then there's the part where they want to charge me money to look at those matches.)
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Hi, thanks for your reply. I don't believe that I'm confusing identifiers of indexed records with profile IDs.
I have a relative for whom I created an ID (PID) of the form GLV1-XXX. There are several versions of this person in FS with different PIDs. Some are very similar to my relative, but none of them have the same birth and baptism details that I was able to find in an FS indexed record of form XXXX-YYYY. I dabbled with merging and deleting PIDs but I decided that it wasn't a good idea to do that. I found it to be cleaner to create my own PID for this person. It seems to me that the entire linage of this person has been confused by other people whilst building their own trees, and so I have already created parents for this person based on the baptism record with help from FS. I think time will tell whose family tree is correct. I'm open to any logical changes.
My problem is that with an effort from a few of my family members, we have assembled a tree on MH. It was a free for all for a few weeks. I started becoming alarmed when one of my family started to amend and merge FS records. He even undid a change that I had made earlier. I then started to realise that many of the links that we had setup in this family tree on MH were lacking any real substance. I was able to verify this by importing the MH tree into FS via a GEDCOM file.
In my opinion, FS has implemented a slightly more robust means of tracking people and events, and so I'm tempted to use FS where I can to check and verify the connections. But I also believe that MH has a friendlier Web interface, and since I've spent a few $$, I would like to place the finished tree on MH. Hence my problem with finding my relative with PID GLV1-XXX from within MH. I just need to understand whether it's worth waiting a few days for this person to start popping up in searches, or whether my expectations are unfounded.
I've only been at this for 3 weeks, and so my use of terminology is loose, but I think I know what I want.
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I just read through your reply again. I accept your point that I'm probably too focused on the PID. I don't expect to be able to use the PID in MH, although I had set up an "ID fact" showing the PID for that relative. I found it comforting to think of this relative as a real person (with a computer identity). But I intend to remove this information as it only has a meaning in FS.
I just would feel more comfortable if I knew that my MH tree was populated with people having FS PIDs.
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One other point that I don't see referenced - if the new profile you created on the FamilySearch Family Tree is a living person, that profile will not be findable to anyone other than you.
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Yes thanks, I was aware of that fact. I have evidence that this person was born 1881. I'm not sure yet when this person passed away, so that field in the profile is currently blank. I wonder if FS assumes that the person is still living? Computers can be quite dumb at times. 😑
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You can assure that the profile is recognized as deceased. You have the option to mark deceased with a reason statement. The reason statement need not be anything elaborate - over 125 will do or even just a simple period/full stop mark.
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I removed some identifying details, but I guess it's not private information.
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The relative I'm showing in my previous posting has probably been showing deceased since I made the entry into FS. I haven't made any changes to it. Thanks Áine Ní Donnghaile for your comments, but it has not helped with answering my question.
My question to the forum is, when will this record be searchable so that I can reference it in my MH family tree? 😐️
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I already found the record by searching with the limited info you supplied, so yes, as Julia said very early this morning, it became immediately findable. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/GLV1-8CX I didn't realize you needed additional assurances.
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Thanks for that, we're moving in the right direction. I think the problem is partly a matter of comprehension, and perhaps reading the postings more carefully. I'm probably confusing issues with FS and MH and this may not be the right forum to ask the question. Then it appears that my issue might be with MH? Does MH have a way of accessing the URL? I hope I'm not being too vague here ? Yes, I do need additional assurances.
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If you want to know about what MH can do, you need to ask on an MH forum. The official MH Users Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/273646006348780
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Thanks again, I agree it sounds like a MH question. I've been thinking in the meantime. For the benefit of any readers of this forum, I think a partial solution to my question might be to, cite the URL as a reference in MH.
I would think that eventually, the reference will be found by MH, and that person can then be linked into the tree. You just have to wait an undefined amount of time for that to happen.
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"undefined amount of time" NO - as has been shown and stated, it is nearly immediate.
If I choose to search on MH for information about a profile here on FS, usually the first item in the list is the FSFT, reflecting changes I have made within the last few minutes.
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Thanks Áine Ní Donnghaile, you've got my full attention. I think I just have to work out how to do that.
Would you mind dropping a few clues? You could be helping a few people out there. BTW what is "FSFT"?
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From the person's profile, select search on MyHeritage.
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Yes, I have been there many times. It takes me to here, but I can't find my relative no matter how I filter.
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I edited Marion's parents this afternoon. Her stepmother was listed as her mother. The correction is already visible on MH.
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I've probably taken up way too much of your time. Would you mind sending me the same screenshot of my relative Ann, showing her birthdate 22 August 1881. I may have to approach MH for an answer. I will get back to this forum with any answers.
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@John81896, I believe the problem is that you're searching MH's copy of the index, not their copy of the tree.
Nothing you do to the profile is going to change anything in the index, neither on FS nor on MH, so that's why you're not seeing your update. I'm not a subscriber on MH and am not particularly familiar with the site, and I need to go to bed (child's schoolbus comes at an obscene hour), so unfortunately I can't help with what you should be doing differently on MH to find the tree match.
I will note, though, that Anna Mária's correct birthplace is Hács, Somogy, Hungary. Ecseny is the location of the church, so it's the correct place for her baptism.
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Thank-you Julia Szent-Györgyi and Áine Ní Donnghaile for your patience.
I'll need some time to absorb your last posting. Have a pleasant evening. I'm going to have lunch. 😉
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Well I contacted MH support via phone call. I spent quite a bit of time with them. They were not able to find any reference to my Anna Mária Reichert (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GLV1-8CX). They asked me for images of Anna's record and for the referenced baptism record (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NS5-XYJQ) as they were not able to directly access these records. I also sent them a transcript of this thread in case it may help. I'm still waiting for their reply.
Meanwhile I'm looking at making amendments to my Anna Mária Reichert. Thanks for pointing out that her birth location per the record is Hács. I read it as "Ház 16" and didn't think twice about it.
I'm now sort of two minded about her first name Anna. The record shows it as Ana with a line above the 'N'. Its not something I've seen before, but my elementary Hungarian tells me that the 'N' is stretched, hence the "NN". What would be best practice in this case? I'm leaning towards Anna.
And finally, I noticed that the citation for the baptism record, indicates that Anna is a Male.
But the actual document clearly shows that she was born Female.
I've been trying to correct the citation but I can't see where I can apply this change.😑
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Re: the wrong gender, there are a lot of those, and no, we can't correct them. My theory is that they ran the translation process once too often: first they changed F/férfi/fi into M and N/nő/L/leány into F, then they did it again, leaving the Ms alone but changing all of the Fs into Male. (This doesn't account for all of the ones marked "unknown", though.)
For her given name, n with a line above is another way to write nn (primarily in Latin, but extending into the Hungarian recordkeeping of clerks or priests trained in Latin), so the indexer was correct in transcribing it as Anna Mária.
I did some poking around in MyHeritage, but I'm hitting the paywall left and right. I think the first result of my search is "your" Anna Mária, but I have no way of telling.
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Hi Julia Szent-Györgyi, I'm so happy to hear from you. I can hardly contain my gratitude. I contacted MH and with quite some effort, they were not able to find any link to my new person. I now believe it's a problem on their side of the fence. I don't have much of a choice but to wait patiently for them to 'fix' it. I'll call them on Monday if I haven't heard from them before then. I'd like to report back in this thread once I know more.
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I spoke too soon. I rechecked my Anna Mária, after replying to your last posting. I've been checking it all day. Good news, she has finally appeared out of the blue. I can only assume that the issue was 'fixed' by MH.
Thankyou for your assistance. It went a long way in helping me to troubleshoot the problem.
I tried to reply earlier but it got lost in the ether. It may pop up somewhere else 😑
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Um, I think I know what has changed. I posted earlier this morning at 1050AM my time, a screenshot of what was appearing on my screen when I selected MH from the right hand side of the FS page:
Now this evening, I get this on my screen when I selected MH from the right hand side of the FS page:
There's my Anna Mária at the top of the search window. It took several days for this to appear.
It looks like I'm able to copy it now to my MH tree, but it still doesn't appear when I search from MH.
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If anybody is still interested, I can now search and find my Anna Mária from within MH.
I'd just like to say that it took 3 days for this to come good. I don't know if my chasing the issue made any difference, or if I should expect to wait 3 days to see my changes in FS become available in MH. Probably a lot of databases need to replicate, and we in AU are a long way-away. Just for the record:
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