Etsin apua isoisäni puolelta
Hei!
Nimeni on Linda, asun Ruotsissa.
Olen tehnyt sukututkimusta jonkin aikaa, tullut vähän isoäitini sukusivulle, mutta se johtuu isoäidin aloittamisesta sukututkimuksen. Joka minun piti ottaa haltuun myöhemmin.
Mutta isoisäni puolelta en tiedä juuri mitään.
Isoisäni syntyi 1914.04.01 Messukylässä ja sai nimekseen Olavi Eevert Nurminen. Hänellä on täytynyt olla vähintään kaksikymmentä sisarusta, Aune Vilhelmina Nurminen s. 1912.01.07 ja Meeri Anna Kaisa Nurminen s. 1920 ja kuoli vuonna 2012. Haetmasi sivun mukaan Suomesta, jotka on haudattu. Silloin isoisän äidin nimi oli Hilda Serafina (Isokorpi?) syntynyt 1886.07.28 ja kuollut 1971.04.10. En löydä tietoa mistään? Ja olisin todella kiitollinen jos jollain olisi tietoa. Koska minulla on paljon valokuvia tuolta puolelta perhettä, olisi hauskaa saada nimiä kasvoille,
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Kiitos kysymyksestäsi. Olavin FamilySearch -tunniste näyttää olevan GJ3P-LDJ. Lähetetään kysymyksesi asiantuntijan pohdittavaksi. Terveisin RMarkku
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Hello!
It was my old familysearch page. When I found grandfather's birth book from Messukylä's church book. So it seems that the great-grandfather's name was Juho Eevert Nieminen, from the beginning. I've searched for that too but can't find anything. Can't find anything about that side of the family.
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Juho Evert Nurminen (G2KY-F4Q) was born 17.9.1880. He came to Messukylä 30.11.1911 from Vilppula. I have not fond him in Vilppula books.
rgds Helena Ranta
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Thank you very much! Then Juho died 1926.09.19 in Messukylä. Does it say whose his parents what? With date of birth, too? Because, as I said, I can't find anything about that side of the family branch.
Sincerely
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Great news, I just notised that a new communion book had been published at 8.8.2023, which contains years 1910-1920 in Messukylä and your grandfather Olavi Eevert b. 1.4.1914 and his parents are mentioned in it. Here is what it says:
Juho Eevert Nurminen was born at 17.9.1880 in Petäjävesi (from Petäjävesi church book parents are Aapraham Aapraminpoika (Abraham Abrahamsson) b. 9.7.1848 in Keuruu, M8SZ-JS8 and Vilhelmina Kasperintytär (Wilhelmina Kaspersdotter) b. 10.10.1852 in Petäjävesi).
Juho Eevert's birth record has Swedish birth name Johan Evert. He was known at first just Juho Eevert Aaprahaminpoika (Johan Evert Abrahamsson). The family took last name Kingelin when they moved from Petäjävesi to Keuruu at 14.11.1894 and your great grandfather was known as Juho Eevert Aavonpoika (or some records Aaponpoika) Kingelin. Then he moved from Keuruu to Vilppula at 1907 where he changed his last name to Nurminen and moved to Messukylä at 30.11.1911.
Your great grandmother was Hilda Serafia Alhainen born at 28.7.1886 in Välimäki torppa, Kukkumäki, Töysä. She was first known as Hilda Serafia Matintytär Välimäki, then Hilda Serafia Matintytär Isokorpi which was their farm name in Töysä, but it was her first real last name after moving to Tampere (moved in 14.12.1908 and out 22.12.1910). In Tampere she changed her last name to Alhainen at 1910. She got an illegitimate child, Lyydia Kaarina, at 14.6.1908 in Kässälä, Takahuhti, Messukylä.
Her parents from Töysä church records were Matti Simunanpoika (Matts Simonsson) b. 14.9.1851 in Tohni, Töysä and Wilhelmina Juhantytär (Wilhelmina Johansdotter) b. 23.12.1851 in Hietala, Ähtäri
Many people like to add house name as a family name which is incorrect way, but because of that you might find names such Matts Simonsson Tohni / Matts Tohni / Matti Tohni / Matti Simunanpoika Tohni / Matti Simunanpoika Välimäki / Matti Välimäki / Matti Simunanpoika Isokorpi. These are same person, with house name or patronymic or Finnish or Swedish name.
Your grandfather's siblings mentioned: Aune Vilhelmiina b. 7.1.1912 Messukylä and Elma Eliisabet b. 24.1.1918 Messukylä.
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I believe this is the announcement which Hilda Serafia made on the finnish official newspaper when she changed her last name:
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Thank you very much! How happy I was!
Was it common for them to change their last name so often, back in the day?
Now that I'm getting so much help, maybe I can ask this too. Meeri was married to a Leo Lindström, but I can't find him anywhere. Date of birth or marriage with Meeri. Found Meeri on Hautahaku.fi, where she is in the same grave as her son, Seppo Tapio Lindström who was born in 1950 and died in 2016, according to the page at their grave. In the same grave lies Hilda (great-grandmother) who has apparently remarried a Herman Nieminen. I have a lot of photographs, need some of these.
Then another question, was told about the "black" book, which the church wrote in. If they had committed crimes or something. But then it's about my grandmother's grandfather, Jaako Juhonpoika Savolainen born 1813.08.06 Kurkela village, Karjala (Karjala is Finnish Karelian right? that's where they came from) Then it was in the Karelian database, year 1894 (if I understood correctly) Rumor and church discipline and something more, penal scars ne 236. What is meant by that?
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In the western Finland people were often known after the house they were living. Before about 1880 those house names were not family names and they usually changed when people moved. Then about 1880 and later people started to take real family names. Some took their house name and some took just some other name and that caused that some people had several last names how they were known. Also in the beginning of 1900 many people changed they last name especially if their name was Swedish.
Here is a video, which I made for this year's Rootstech and I explain little more detailed about this naming issue: https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/challenges-in-finnish-family-history-research
I can later look on Leo Lindström, if I find any information.
With Karjala, you need to very careful.
Karjala was a parish at the province of Turku and Pori until 1977 when it was incorporated to Mynämäki.
Karjala (Finnish Karelia) was an area in the eastern Finland until 1945. It was never a spesific place, thus it cannot be used for place name.
Jaako Juhonpoika Savolainen (Jacob Savolainen) was born 1813.08.06 in Kurkela village in Kivennapa parish. (parish belonged to Karelia area)
You need to provide the source where it says about his crime.
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Thanks so much. Going to watch the movie, right away. Thanks for all the help.
As a Swede, I notice how crazy it can get, when non-Swedes look for their roots in Sweden. When you don't know the language and the names of the villages and so on, it can get crazy. It will be like that for me, when I'm looking for my Finnish roots, since I don't know the villages or the language. Or like the fact that I didn't know you could take a name after the house.
I wrote earlier about my grandmother's grandfather, it wasn't Jaakko, it was my grandmother's great grandfather. I had written wrong. Grandmother's grandfather, Mikko Jaakonpoika Savolainen born 1843.10.06, Kivennapa Kurkela n:o 2.
https://katiha.kansallisarkisto.fi/henkilotieto.php?keyId=0212R017a0000411&kieli=sv
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