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CCharles75
CCharles75 ✭
June 17, 2023 edited July 26, 2024 in Search

Is there is a way to correct the “Event Place” on the entire film?

Image # 3 of the film printed in German describes the content of this film. It contains Roman Catholic Church registers from 1865-1895. The span of years in these registers clearly falls before 1920 when the church was in the village of Barátfalu, Hungary. In this case the church did not move, the area became part of Austria by treaty following WWI. This image also shows that since 1920 the church is in state of Burgenland, Austria.

Image # 5 of the film suggests that town of Barátfalu, Hungary is now Mönchhof, Austria. I have confirmed this via other sources.

The issue is that all the “Indexed Information” on this film shows the “Event Place” as “Barátfalu, Moson, Magyarország” and not “Mönchhof, Neusiedl am See, Burgenland, Austria”. I know that it is possible to edit the “Event Place” place one at a time; but that will not correct many of the 577 usable images on the film.

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
    Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 17, 2023 edited June 17, 2023

    An example from the film: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X249-CMN

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  • Paul W
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    June 17, 2023 edited June 17, 2023

    @CCharles75

    These records appear, then, to have been indexed in line with how the location was identified in the 1865-1895 period. Would you clarify that your request is that they should be indexed in a format that reflects the location as it is known today? (Or, indeed, in 1920?)

    FamilySearch always tries to apply place names that they were known by at the time period to which the records relate, so - unless I am misunderstanding the point - I cannot see anything needs to be changed here.

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  • CCharles75
    CCharles75 ✭
    June 17, 2023

    It seems to me that the Event Place (Original) clearly tells where the event occurred in the 1800's. However, in this case that place no longer exists. FamilySearch also places a dot on the map to identify where the event occurred. It appears this dot can not find the town as it exists today. Instead of being on Mönchhoff, Austria; it is floating over nothing in the middle of Moson County, Hungary.

    It seems that if FamilySearch kept Event Place (Original) and identified Event Place (as current location), they would know where it happened and what the place is currently called. I feel both pieces of data are important and guides people to look in the right places.

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
    Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 17, 2023

    When a record shows "Event Place (Original)" and a similar place marked "Event Place," that is usually a signal that the placename algorithm has made the change.

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 17, 2023 edited June 18, 2023

    The index's event place is 100% correct as is: the place at the time of the event(s) was Barátfalu, Moson, Hungary.

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 17, 2023

    "However, in this case that place no longer exists." Um, yes, it does! Saint Petersburg didn't stop existing just because they renamed it Leningrad for a while, and Barátfalu didn't stop existing just because the border moved and the administration changed. (There are actually places that no longer exist, because there's now a reservoir there, or because after the latest devastating flood, the residents picked up and moved upland. This is very much not one of those cases.)

    I just checked: the Places database knows exactly where Barátfalu is; it puts the pin in exactly the same place as it does for Mönchhof (https://www.familysearch.org/research/places/?focusedId=11827246&searchTypeaheadInputText=baratfalu&text=baratfalu). So I don't understand what you're saying about "floating over nothing". That's what would happen if the auto-standardizer had picked the next jurisdiction up (i.e., if it chose "Moson, Hungary" for the standardized place), but that's not what it did: it set the language to Hungarian and picked the label "Barátfalu, Moson, Magyarország" -- which is (amazingly!) fully correct.

    Any chance of a link or screenshot of this "floating" map pin?

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