Make memories private by default for living persons
Dear Family Search,
Your privacy page related to living person is not clear enough.
"The memories attached to living and confidential people are potentially viewable by anyone. We recommend that you set the memories about living or confidential people to private."
It should in fact state:
"The memories attached to living and confidential people WILL BE viewable by anyone UNLESS YOU MARK THEM PRIVATE"
Furthermore, when you say "We recommend that you set the memories about living or confidential people to private" you should realize that not all users who upload content know the implications of this. PLEASE, when a person uploads memories for living people, Family Search should make the memory private by default.
I do not want this. I have quite a few group photos where one or two people are still living and the rest are not. I do NOT want those memories marked private. AT ALL. It is sufficient for me to have the living person's tag I put on them to be invisible to all but me.0
I just tested - and what Gail says is correct - if a person has a Living profile in Family Tree - and a Memory is tagged to that profile - then that tag is only visible by the person doing the tagging (which is only logical because that profile/tag is in Private Living Space of the person that created that profile). Another FamilySearch user can view the Memory but will not see that tag.
There could very well be reasons for uploading a Memory in Private initial status instead of Public - such as obtaining the consent of Living persons contained in the Memory (although there is no consent tracking metadata currently). In other words - Family Groups might want to share Memories in Private group context BEFORE making such Memories Public (suggestive of a Memories workflow allowing for the Family Group to decide if, when and in what form/nature a Public restricted, redacted or abstracted version of the Memory is released).1
Today while uploading a story on the Family Tree Android mobile app I saw the option to upload as Private. I will have to check whether photos, documents and audio allow the same (but would suspect so).
There is a big using Chrome on Android for uploading files. When you select them it reverts back to the prior screen without the selected files uploading...
I suspect this means one should be using the mobile Memories app. I just checked uploading a photo, a document and an audio on the Memories app - it still defaults to Public and does not allow the option of uploading as Private - but can be changed afterward0
Memories should never be private by default, but they can be made private. I never upload anything that is not suitable for public consumption. If a memory needs to be private, one needs to re-evaluate why it is being uploading in the first place.
Once I found out what happens to work I do on living people with private memories, ie, that it will all become inaccessible when I die, I have ceased doing anything with my generation and younger. In fact, the only living relatives I have on the tree (aside from one 92 year old aunt who is the last of her generation) are people who have asked me to do their family trees. The only reason I put photos of them in their portrait - which I grab from their public Facebook pages - is so I can do screen shots or screen shares of lineages with them easily visible as an "anchor". I've always had positive feedback about that, so that is the minimum I do.
I continue to be of the persuasion for keeping your family trees, images and important information of living relatives off the internet. Period.1
Others may wish to upload in an initial Private state for a variety of reasons - as requested in this Idea for Living - but there may also be reasons for deceased person Memories as well. If someone is marking a Memory Private I think they know the reason they are doing so - no reevaluation is needed.
What I discovered was that Stories can be uploaded in an initial Private state on the Memories mobile app - so it made me want to check if other Memories had the option - they still don't currently.0
Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
"If a memory needs to be private, one needs to re-evaluate why it is being uploaded in the first place."
This. Exactly this.
If you don't want a photograph to be public, then why do you want to put it in a public place? The internet is 100% potentially public. Don't put anything out there that you don't want people to see.2
Idea thread contribution: You know how you can time delay sending email? Why not include an option in Memories that allows them to change from Private to Public at some future point in time? That way you "don't have to remember" nor ask someone else to have access after your decease - it will just happen upon whatever schedule you set. ... But I still think there could be access limiting options for what person or groups are given what type/level of access (Family Groups versus all Public for example) - and also whether to carry over repository (or individual Memory for that matter) required restriction (reference only), abstract/redacted version, or full.
Happy Valentines day! 💕1
Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
I have a general dislike of moderators choosing to close threads to further discussion.
That said, I'm prepared to make an exception in this case - and possibly one or two others of late - that have featured drawn-out arguments between individuals.
Some of the allegations that have been made have been completely unfounded and certainly not in line with the ethos (if not the code of conduct) of Community.0
This discussion has been edited and closed due to code of conduct violations.0
Caleb L mod
We shared the feedback from this thread with the product manager and he informed us that his team is currently working on designs that alert users when memories are attached to living and public, asking them if they would prefer them to be private.2