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Martin886

How do I find the film record for 1184407/2 and 1184407/3?

It should be in the Danzig database.

Please advise.

Thanks.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

The catalog indicates that film 1184407 is not online, probably due to privacy laws, as item 2 apparently includes births up to 1939.

If you have a specific image number from that film that you need, you may be able to request it from the Family History Library's Lookup Service. (There's an element of luck involved, in that you're dependent on the assigned person's understanding or interpretation of the rules applying to your requested image.) Otherwise, I believe that the only way to access this film is to show up at the library in Salt Lake City.

Gail Swihart Watson

I believe 1184407/1-7 (the whole series) is not online because it has not been scanned yet. It is still in microfiche format.

Paul W

@Gail Swihart Watson

I wonder what makes you suggest that. There is a film (not microfiche) number against the item, as well as a DGS number, showing it has been digitized. It is just its availability that is the problem - probably only by viewing a "hard copy" of the microfilm at SLC, as Julia suggests. It's also possible (though quite unlikely) that a copy might be available at a FHC somewhere in the world - not every FHC returned their on-loan microfilms to SLC.

Gail Swihart Watson

So here are 2 screen shots of the icons associated with the series of images 1184407. Hopefully you will be able to see something other than a blue hourglass.

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Julia Szent-Györgyi

@Gail Swihart Watson, the microfilm reel indicates "not online". Everything has been digitized, and even without knowing that, there's the number in the DGS column to make it absolutely clear. (DGS stands for "digital Genealogy Society [number]".)

Gail Swihart Watson

Yet the explanation below the list of image collections contains two possible reasons for images not being online, see below. One is the reason Paul W mentioned. The other is that the microfilm may be scheduled for future scanning. Having a DGS number may be a requirement in order to schedule a scan.

Reasons why microfilms may not yet be available digitally on FamilySearch.org include:

• The microfilm may be scheduled for future scanning.
• The microfilm may have been scanned, but have a contractual, data privacy, or other restriction preventing access. FamilySearch makes every effort to enable access dependent on decisions of record custodians and applicable laws.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

That bit of boilerplate is outdated. Once again: FamilySearch has finished digitizing all of the microfilms it holds. (They finished over a year ago now, in fact.) The microfilm-reel icon no longer means anything about scanning. All it means is that the images are not accessible online.

Even before the scanning project was finished, the existence of a DGS number meant that the film had already been digitized. The DGS number is created/assigned when the film is scanned; before that, no such number can exist, as there's nothing yet for it to label/designate.

FLQR

I have been looking to view Film 1184407, Item 1, DGS 4117603

Jüdische Gemeinde Brieg (StKr. Brieg) (Main Author) Geburten 1794-1798, 1809-1874

for some time. This section of the larger Film 1184407, has the most recent births (1874) 149 years ago.

I note that similar records, Films 1184456, 1184444, 1184411, 1184456, and 1190944, all have birth records to about 1874, have been available and have been fruitful records for my family research.

Since getting to SLC is a challenge, is the digitized version available at my local Family History or affiliate Library?

Do the included Danzig records (Geburten 1905-1939, likely item 2) prevent access to the other much older records?

These older German records with the filming separately from right-side pages (r. S.) and in reverse order (rückw.) are a real challenge to interpret as it is also recorded in Kurrent handwriting, thus quite time consuming for field work. With similar films I have made an index first on my computer to then sort out the page images and dates into their original order.

If there are specific restrictions on that specific film, are you able to explain them publicly?

If the restrictions are to a specific segment of that film, and since the film has been digitized, could the restricted segment images be removed and the rest of the film made available?

Thank you.

MaureenE123

I am not connected with FamilySearch.

There are 7 items on the film 1184407 https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1184407

For Items 2-7 https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/219973, there is a microfilm icon, meaning these records are not available to view online. Without doubt, this would be due to the fact that they include "Geburten 1905-1939"

Currently FamilySearch does not split up items, so if part of a digitised microfilm is unavailable for a privacy reasons, the whole microfilm is unavailable.

I did see a recent comment by a moderator on another topic that FamilySearch engineers are working on this problem, so it seems there will probably be a change in the future, but who knows how long this change will take to be rolled out.

JBPurdie

Reasons why microfilms may not yet be available digitally on FamilySearch.org include:

• The microfilm may be scheduled for future scanning.
• The microfilm may have been scanned, but have a contractual, data privacy, or other restriction preventing access. FamilySearch makes every effort to enable access dependent on decisions of record custodians and applicable laws.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

@JBPurdie, the first bullet point of that boilerplate is years out of date: all microfilms have been digitized (scanned). I don't know your source for the text, but is there any chance you could request for it to be updated or removed?