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Jessica Fleck
Jessica Fleck ✭
August 7, 2022 edited August 8, 2022 in Search

I believe this document is of my great-grandfather, Rudolf Toth's baptism. It is the first entry, which goes across both pages. Page 285 of 871. Especially interested in the sections with lots of texts. Might be a Rudolf Toth and Fransisca Voska.

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  • LDS Search Test
    LDS Search Test ✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022 edited August 7, 2022

    Here a rough first pass. Wait until Julia gets a look at it, her language skills are better.

    Rüdolf Toth [Taufen?](1)

    Rüdolf Toth,

    Lakai bei Furst. Schaumburg

    Lippe. Fabriksstr. 45, züst. in

    M??r, Weissenburger Comitat(2)

    ?ns?. ?os? ?ab Jos??? Toth(3)

    gr??. ??üf...fr.. in

     Moo? in der Theresia

    geb. Lunbar,(4)



    Rudolf Toth Baptism?(1)

    Rüdolf Toth,

    footman of the Principality of Schaumburg 

    Lippe. Fabriksstrasse 45, resident? in

    Mor, Weissenburger Comitat(2)

      son of Jos??? Toth(3)

    [rest as above]


    1) very tentative presumption that this word might be Taufen, it could be Töten meaning deceased.

    2) Resident is presumed from züstanden (status) which might be just a likely mean 'originating from'. There is a town of Mor, in the NW region of the Weissenburger Komitat see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komitat_Wei%C3%9Fenburg and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Fejer_county_map_1910.jpg

    3) presumed statement of relationship to grandfather of child being baptised

    4) geboren = born i.e maiden name Lunbar

      Lunbar is a problem to clarify because of the apparent position of the umlaut.

    Hopefully this will be something of a starter, until a more cabable translater gets to grip with it.

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  • LDS Search Test
    LDS Search Test ✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022

    Right hand section:

    Franscisca, geb. Woska,

    ?ns?. tochter ?? Anton

    Woska [occupation?] in

    W?? on. Konigsts. 28, ?

    ??? Francsica geb Wiesel


    I think this says:

    Francisca born i.e. maiden name Woska

    [...] daughter of Anton

    Woska [occupation?] in

    W?? on. Konigsts. 28, ? [address]

    and Francisca born i.e. maiden name 

    Weisel

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022

    @Jessica Fleck could you give us the URL of the page you are looking at?

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  • Jessica Fleck
    Jessica Fleck ✭
    August 7, 2022 edited August 7, 2022

    It won't let me post it, don't know why

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9G2-5ZGF?i=284&cat=697714

    @dontiknowyou

    it won't let me edit the original post, don't know why

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022

    Same result. Thanks for trying.

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  • Jessica Fleck
    Jessica Fleck ✭
    August 7, 2022 edited August 7, 2022
    rudolf toth baptism.jpg

    @dontiknowyou

    here is the picture. Links to non-indexed documents don't seem to work on FamilySearch

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
    Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022

    There is a 4-hour window for editing a post.

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022 edited August 7, 2022

    I can see the JPEG. [This is not your ancestor. This Rudolf died in infancy, age 2 days.] Nevermind. Brain fart.

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  • Jessica Fleck
    Jessica Fleck ✭
    August 7, 2022

    @dontiknowyou Wow! What section is that in?

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 7, 2022

    Seeing the full page is helpful because it gives us more samples of the handwriting.

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 8, 2022

    There are people in the Germany group who are much, much better than me at both the language and the handwriting, but my attempt:


    Number 274. Born 1900 24 December 1:30, baptized 26 December 2:30.

    Officiant: Ignaz somethingorother assistant parson ("cooperator")

    Place: Fabriks-strasse 48 ("Factory street")

    Baptisee: Rudolf, (Franz, Albrecht, Anton), Catholic, male, legitimate

    Father: Rudolf Toth footman. Rudolf Toth, footman for Prince Schaumburg-Lippe, Factory-street 48, residency ("responsible place") Moor, Weissenburger (=Fejér) county, legit. son of Johann Toth, ?? shoe-something in Moor and of Theresia born Lauber

    Mother: Francisca, born Woska, legit. daughter of Anton Woska, ??istan in W?ls ? Ringstr. ("Ring-road"?) 28 and of Francisca born Weissl

    all Catholics

    ---

    There was a Johann Toth in Mór who was a shoemaker and had a son named Rudolf born in 1872: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9398-518X-4?cc=1743180 (Film 4552306 image 581 of 600, number 119).

    However, his wife was Erzsébet (Elizabeth) Lauber, not Teresia, and the remark says Rudolf married Aurelia Jaich in 1926 in Pfaffstätt, Upper Austria.

    (I had a great-great-grandmother from Mór, so I know it's in Fejér county, which is an archaic or dialectal form of the word "white", so I'm certain that the father's place of origin is in fact the Hungarian town. His name is Hungarian as well. [Tóth is a top-5 most common surname in Hungary; it now means "Slovak", but originally -- as in, many centuries ago -- it meant any foreigner, especially one who spoke a Slavic language.])

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 8, 2022 edited August 8, 2022

    Centuries ago Mór was a village of variously Protestant Hungarians into which a colony of Roman Catholic German farmers was imported. After WWII most of the Germans were deported.

    My interest is in tracing these groups back to their villages of origin.

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  • LDS Search Test
    LDS Search Test ✭✭✭
    August 17, 2022

    I'm now of the opinion that the third word on the first line is Lackai, and not what I tentatively suggested earlier.

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