COMPLAINT
I seriously want you to take away where anyone can just go into anyone's tree and change add/delete information!! That is beyond ridiculous! How is anyone supposed to ACTUALLY research their family and create a tree when ANY **** STRANGER CAN GO IN THERE AND CHANGE IT??? I am damned tired of going to my tree and I have a new family member that's supposedly dead or they have changed a relationship or the spelling of a name, ESPECIALLY when it's my immediate family! I will know if my Aunt dies before any **** stranger which by the way she is not dead and I **** SHOULDN'T HAVE TO REQUEST PERMISSION TO CHANGE A LIVING/DECEASED STATUS ON MY OWN **** TREE!!! Strangers should only be allowed to add sources and if they have any other pertinent information they should have to contact the person who owns the tree and share the info with them, THEN THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE TREE CAN ADD IT!!! IN OTHER WORDS PEOPLE QUIT EFFING WITH MY TREE! I would appreciate the help a lot more if things I know to be true weren't being changed.
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The FamilySearch Family Tree (FSFT) is a single family tree for all humanity. No one owns any of the information about deceased people, and any FamilySearch user can edit information about deceased persons. Sometimes, FamilySearch talks about "your tree" which causes confusion, but the truth is that there is no such thing as "your" tree.
Of course this model doesn't work if vandals or incompetent users make incorrect editors. If you don't want to deal with that, there are plenty of websites and software packages that allow you to build a personal family tree that no one else can edit.
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Hi,
It would appear that you have completely misunderstood the entire concept of Family Tree.
“I am damned tired of going to my tree ...” Other than living individuals, you don’t have a tree.
”... ON MY OWN **** TREE!!!” As before, it isn’t your tree.
”... they should have to contact the person who owns the tree...” That would be all of us.
“THEN THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE TREE CAN ADD IT!!!” Ditto
“IN OTHER WORDS PEOPLE QUIT EFFING WITH MY TREE!” See above.
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Are you sure you have found your family in Family Tree? Could it be that you are actually messing up someone else's family tree, thinking it is yours?
If you would like someone to take a look, share a PID here.
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TheresaCrawford75..
in. re. "living people listed as dead",
yep, my pet peeve and I could add expletives. smile. Thankful an exception basis in light of the amount of relatives/ancestors we monitor with the "following" watch list tool Family Search had the foresight to add as a feature for this at times messy, aspirational source focused collaborative "build a tree together" concept vs. "my tree".
in. re. "permissions" and "gatekeepers/managers" discussion,
please no. no. and no. Finding sources sometimes takes time, or just finding time to get back into the hobby of family research and sharing the same, takes time....... editing web based genealogy of a handful of family or ancestors shouldn't involve permissions or waiting for weeks to get an answer/action from a single person "gate keeper"..., only to find out they (the gatekeeper) died, no longer interested in being a gate keeper/manager, lacks experience or knowledge but was first to get the job, backed up backlog of pending edit requests, choose to hoard a profile for their own unsourced research and too stubborn to be open to edits or alternate source based facts, etc...or add your own.
I just can't see a Findagrave.com "manager/gatekeeper" model sustainable or have broad appeal for new users to have to deal with. Learning a new website and genealogy in general is/was a hurdle for most of us.
in. re. "truths changed"
workaround tip for yourself or others reading., I find when I have things that I know to be true but see them get changed repeatedly, my workaround is to use the "reason" field to explain why I added what I did. Fact field reason fields, unlike ancestry's, are very generous with space for explanations and sources to be added.
good luck with your research journey in whatever path you take....!
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Teresa
Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Just in passing ...
Further to; and, in support of, what has already been proffered ...
You are not alone ...
MANY; Many; many, of us, ... have been there ... done that ... still do ...
Many of us have had 'wayward' "Changes" made to our "Ancestral" Lines ...
Now ...
That Said ...
Please be, aware; &, advised, that technically, you DO NOT have a "Tree", in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch' ...
Please let me explain ...
Technically, there is no way to STOP another User/Patron working along the SAME 'Ancestral" Lines.
Unfortunately, such CANNOT be prevented.
As, basically, we are all related.
Your "Ancestral" Lines, are most likely ALSO another User's/Patron's "Ancestral" Lines, in fact, probably, that of quite a few other Users/Patrons.
Now ...
That Said ...
Like it or not ...
Basically, we DO NOT have, a "Tree", in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', than is common misconception.
And, OTHER Users/Patrons, DO NOT need/require, our (ie. one's) "Permission", to "Change" the information/details of "Deceased" individuals/persons, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'.
Here an old 'standby' of mine, that I have previously proffered on occasion ...
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Most new (and, some old) Users/Patrons DO NOT understand the basic 'nature' and 'premise' of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', when they join in.
Please let me explain ...
We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.
We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
And, most importantly ...
We DO NOT even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, Our OWN "Deceased" Ancestors/Family/Relatives in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
I hope that this gives you some, insight; and, perspective.
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In other words ... "Collaboration" ...
Of course ... often ... easier said, than done ...
[ Sometimes, no matter how hard one tries, "Collaboration", does not work ... such is life ... ]
Plus ...
We ALL make MISTAKES ...
NONE of US are PREFECT ...
None of us want to have our "Ancestral" Lines 'messed up'; but, unfortunately, it happens.
Just my thoughts.
I know, that this certainly does not help/assist; but, I hope, that this provides you, with some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
ps: Unfortunately, the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', is not for all ...
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Teresa
Furthermore ...
Just in passing ...
FIRSTLY ...
That is exactly why, many Users/Patrons, ALSO maintain their own PRIVATE "Database(s)" (ie. Copies) of their "Ancestral" Lines , on 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
And ...
SECONDLY ...
All that one can really do, is 'Monitor', one's "Ancestral" Lines, for 'wayward' CHANGES, by OTHER Users/Patrons.
Nothing more, nothing less ...
As an aside ...
IF, you were not already aware; THEN, ...
In "Family Tree", of "FamilySearch' ...
We have the ability to "Watch" (Oops, sorry, 'old school', "Follow"), up to a MAXIMUM of x4000 individuals/persons, at any given time.
Basically ...
It is a matter, of "Following", one's MOST important Ancestors.
Just to keep on top, of any 'wayward' CHANGES.
I check, the "Changes" to those that I "Follow", on a "Daily" Basis; so that, I can keep on top of things.
More often that not, nothing needs to be done; but, at least, I have the opportunity, to be abreast of things; as, they happen/transpire/unfold.
Just my thoughts.
Brett
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We understand your frustration but, to add to what has been said, here is are links to articles you could look at which will help you understand the over all Purpose of FamilySearch Family Tree
How can I prevent other people from making inaccurate changes to Family Tree?
You can also find your own answers in the help center by going to the circle with a ? at the top of any page on FamilySearch scroll to the bottom where it says Help Center and entry your question.
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