Person Page Clutter
Why did FamilySearch clutter up the person page with the "last changed by" and "reason for the change" information. If you want to see this information you can click on "edit".
FamilySearch should have their programmers focus on fixing the problems with their search engine so it will find the information in the FamilySearch data base.
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Sounds like you want to turn off Detail View. It is at the top of the Vitals box on the profile Details page.
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Your new person page format is too cluttered. We are trying to do genealogy not play video games. I much preferred the old format.
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I fully agree: The "New Person Page" has negative efficiency effects for genealogy contributing people:
Loss of children overview, much more vertical scrolling required...
See screenshot on typical Notebook with 1920x1080 pixeles (Win'10; newest browser: FF, Chrome or Edge; 100% zoom)
Facit: I want the old person page back or be able to select it permanently!
Thanks in advance for "listening to the people" and help to avoid Mouse RSI: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~cscott/rsi.html
Kurt (>25.000 contributions this year)
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I do not like the New Person page format. It is very awkward and makes the sections like family and vital harder to access. Please do not go to the new format. I help many new individuals at the Family History Center and the format just isn't user friendly.
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Change is not improvement. I do not feel as confident of the changes I make with the new Person page.
Please don't make changes to make things look better. If there is not a REAL benefit to the patron, leave it alone.
The basic system wonderful.
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The new layout does feel a little awkward but looks better. It may just need a few tweaks to improve navigation or readability. Such as placing the marriage event back in its original spot - between the spouses (partners, etc).
I do think the improvements to "view relationships" are sensational. The new look in this section makes referencing family members much easier/clearer and especially with the addition of toggling in/out the partners.
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Children and siblings are often hidden until you startt clicking around. The last version told you how many children were in a collapsed relationship. So it was easier to notice and open it up. This one has nothing like that that I can see.
Also the preferred box is missing.
I agree that this is change for no purpose other than the programmers needed to justify their existence. But for those of us who have been suffering through this for a long time, we have come to know that that is their business model.
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The last version did not tell you how many children were there until the first time you opened the collapsed relationship.
The preferred setting is still there as a link at the top of the Family Members section.
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I concur - the new person page format is not an improvement. Downsides:
- animations - annoying, dizziness inducing and slowing down work.
- lost of wasted space
- distracting and harder to navigate.
- additional steps needed to enter the information
please leave option to switch to old style - simple style in many cases is better and more efficient
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Why would you kill the old person page when the new one is not working?
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What is not working on the new one? Give some specifics. I've been using the new page, and I really like it.
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I also use the New Page exclusively, mostly with no problems. If you have specific problems, please join and post details in the Group dedicated to the discussion. The developers have asked for and are listening to any concerns.
https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/316-new-person-page
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At first I wasn't sure about it and its changes, but as I use it more, the more I like it and its versatility. You can customize so many parts of it to your liking. I seem to like it more, the more I use it.
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Please streamline the New Person detail page by featuring the most-used items and putting less-used items in submenu "drawers." Your Web Reports should indicate which items are most clicked/used.
Currently the New Person Page is way too cluttered. It's as if you've strewn the entire contents of a junk drawer across a counter and dare users to find the spatula they need to use every day. Please put the most-used items on the top level and stash less-used items in intuitive submenu "drawers" to minimize the scanning/scrolling. No menu should be over 5 items! Specific comments:
* The Living Person warning is eating up far too much valuable screen real estate. It should be put in smaller type and cut to 1 line: "Living Person. Only you can see and edit this person in Family Tree. However, anyone could potentially see the photos, documents and stories."
* Vitals-It's nice to see this boxed and displayed in 2 columns.
* Other Information: Hopefully the default is to have this closed as otherwise it's TMI. It's nice to be able to collapse the menu and hide it because this is generally info we want to see later.
* Family Members: It would be great to bring back the box around the marriage area (as in the past).
* Brief Life History: Was better at the top as in the past. (It's like the "abstract" at the top of an article.)
* Research Help-Is very valuable when providing links to specific records--but nearly useless when it's giving generic hints--too many years between children, etc. The record-specific hints should be displayed at the top level but the generic hints should be relegated to a "More" submenu.
* Search Records is critical--but the list is too long. 90% of the people are using Family Search & Ancestry. But some of the less-used sites should be under "More." The longer the list, the more scrolling we have to do to reach the critical Tools menu.
* Latest Changes-Wastes far too much valuable screen real estate by display the THREE latest changes. Bottom line: No one cares--so long as we have a clear link to access Show All Changes. Again, scrolling through this less-valuable data keeps us from accessing the lower Tools menu.
* The Tools Menu is way too long; please limit to the most used/needed 4 or 5 (Possible Duplicates, Merge by ID, Report Abuse, and Delete Person); put the others in the submenu drawer. Less needed items: "My Layout Settings" is something 2% of the population will use once; "What's New" is an announcement, not a tool--it's like finding like a pair of socks stored in a freezer. "Find Similar People" is a rarely-used function. Sources feels misplaced here--it's a record you view, not a tool you use to perform an action; most people access it from the top menu. All these "extras" are burying the critical Possible Duplicates and Merge by ID tools that we need to access dozens of times a day. (At a minimum, please put most-used tools FIRST.)
* The Notes area (for user input) seems misplaced in the lineup. It should be more intuitively located on the bottom left list under "Brief History, etc." since all other user input is happen on the left side of the screen.
I work with many patrons and everyone has said there is too much information on this page--they are having trouble finding the few tools they need most. While it's true people can go in and set up the page, that is simply too much trouble. Most users want a streamlined, useful default page where they can quickly see a person's Vital Information, Relationships, and Sources--plus the ability to access the most-used research tools.
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@V Norton, there's a New Person Page group where your comments are much more likely to be seen by or passed on to the programmers/developers.
In the meantime, I disagree with several of your assertions.
First, if every "more..." link in creation went away, I would be overjoyed. I do not believe I have ever seen a legitimate use for them, and I hate them with a passion.
Second: you wrote "Search Records is critical". For you, but not for me. I have that section closed, because I never use it. If I want to search for something somewhere, I go to that site's search interface, where I know exactly what I'm inputting.
Third: you are aware, right, that you can move the biography back to the top? I've left it at the bottom, and closed it to boot, and I'm quite happy with this. (My hobby is genealogy, not biography.)
Next: you're wrong that nobody cares about Latest Changes. I check it every time I look at a profile, and often wish that it could show more changes, to speed things up.
Did you actually try the Sources tool? It opens the Sources list in a sidebar, which scrolls independently of the rest of the details page, allowing you to compare conclusions to sources without switching between tabs. I use this new tool All The Time, now.
And finally, I think the placement of the Notes pane in the right-hand column is a Very Good Thing: it makes this collaboration tool much easier to see and use. It should absolutely never, ever be relegated to the bottom of the page.
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