Ordinances Ready
I would like to know if Family Tree has plans for updating the Ordinances Ready format so that when you click on any of the ordinances for the dead ALL the pre-requisite ordinances have already been completed. This is not currently the case. As a Family History consultant it is a question I am often asked about but I really don't have an answer. As an Ordinance Worker I understand that if an ordinance is done out of order it is held in abeyance until all the previous ordinances have been completed. Is this something that can be programed into the computer program to avoid this from happening?
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Penelope
Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Just in passing ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
[ And, I have been a Staff Member, of Family History Centres", of the Church, for many Years ... ]
[ Plus, a "Temple" Worker ... ]
Just in passing ...
The preference; and, recommendation, remains, to do the "Temple" Work in "Order".
But ,,,
That Said ...
NOTHING is PERFECT ...
Things, DO NOT always, go to, 'plan' (or, follow, the 'script') ...
There are EXCEPTIONS to EVERY "Rule" ...
And, "Sealing to Parents"; &, "Sealing to Spouse", can fall under that; which, can sometimes be, an EXCEPTION.
Please let me explain ...
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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Which used to read:
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
But, now reads:
- It is preferred that sealings be done after individual ordinances, but it is not required. Family Tree does not enforce the order of sealings for deceased persons. A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.
[ Note: The improvement ... ]
[ And, once again ... ]
Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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Now ...
All That Said ...
Here is a reference, specifically about "OrdinancesReay", regarding "Sealing to Spouse".
"Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
It also states, among other things:
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Before you start
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Notes:
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- Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.
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So ...
That Said ...
IF, the "Temple' Work of, "Sealing to Parents"; and, "Sealing to Spouse", HAS been given by/through "OrdiancesReady"; THEN, that "Temple" Work, CAN be, undertaken; and, "Completed".
Really ...
The choice is yours ...
In regards to "OrdinancesReady" ...
As, to whether or not, you proceed, with the "Ordinances", that you received through "OrdinancesReady".
And ...
Most importantly ...
Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available.
Plus ...
As an aside ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, of "Sealing to Parents", relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work, of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents", for a Child, CAN be undertaken.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some, insight; and, more perspective; plus, help/assist provide guidance to Patrons of the "Temple".
[ Once, explained, Members of the Church, can then 'Move On'; and, get on with, DOING the IMPORTANT Work ... ]
Brett
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As an ordinance worker and a Family History Missionary, it is uncomfortable to me to do temple work out of order. WHY CAN'T TEMPLE READY BE PROGRAMED TO GIVE ORDINANCES IN ORDER. I'm sure the computer programmers could figure that out. In the church we do things right and IN ORDER.
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@aloramillett, I don't think it is a matter of computer programming. Ordinances Ready providing Sealings out of order is an approved and permitted exception to the general in-order policy.
See the third paragraph in this help article, "Correct Order of Temple Ordinances."
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Keep in mind, also, @aloramillett , that you have been helping do ordinances out of order for years. During the years of the extraction program, that is from about 1970 to about the mid 2010's, none of the extracted marriage records for which couple sealings were completed had any of the preceding ordinances completed first.
Likewise, all the birth records sent to the temples from the extraction program had sealings to parents completed without any evaluation of the parents' ordinance status. In fact, because these extraction records, which are scattered throughout Family Tree, had no connection to any records for the parents you could pretty much be guaranteed that the parents had no ordinances done at all. In fact, I have seen a couple of batches of extraction records where only the sealing to parents was completed and no other individual ordinances. This is not allowed through Ordinances Ready.
There is no need to feel uncomfortable with following current temple policy.
Here is an example of one of these marriage extraction records that had the marriage sealing done in 2000, a couple of decades before Ordinances Ready, before any other individual ordinances for either of the couple were completed: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M24N-ZV3
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@Penelope Lundgreen Thank you for submitting your idea. This has been forwarded to the appropriate Project Manager.
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