re: Wisconsin Marriages, 1836-1930; records no longer available.
Two years ago I located and copied the record below. A search now doesn't show this marriage. In fact, the database doesn't seem to have any records for Iron County. Is there a reason for this?
Record:
Name Gustav Cook
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 7 Nov 1896
Event Place Hurley, Iron, Wisconsin, United States
Event Place (Original) Hurley, Iron, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Father's Name Gottlieb Cook
Mother's Name Martura Gott
Spouse's Name Mary Patterson
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Father's Name Giles Patterson
Spouse's Mother's Name Sarah McEwan
Reference ID 1680
GS Film Number 1266680
Digital Folder Number 004312593
Image Number 00229
Citing this Record
"Wisconsin Marriages, 1836-1930", database, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRP1-5DB : 30 January 2020), Mary
Patterson in entry for Gustav Cook, 1896.
Best Answer
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@Randy Clemons, there are a couple of things about this issue that seems strange enough to cause me to want to move this into the process for the Engineers to review (others will also review it along the way). The note from @Áine Ní Donnghaile, wherein she pointed to the Catalog page that included Marriages, 1893-1907 (Iron County, Wisconsin) was what started me down this path.
I noticed that a magnifying glass icon was available for film 1266680 (Item 2). I clicked the icon to see what the index would show, and saw the "No Results Found" message, which should indicate that this particular film/Item was not indexed.
Continuing to pursue this, the question can be asked, "if film 1266680 (Item 2) is not indexed, then what is?". So, I searched the Catalog for film 1266680 and found that it has three items - all related to county marriages in Wisconsin: Iowa County, Iron County, and Jackson County. You can see my result by clicking HERE.
I selected each item, which led me to a Catalog page that contained film 1266680; I clicked the magnifying glass for each instance of the film (and its item number). In each of the 3 instances, only the message, No Results found, was returned.
Thus, it appears that we have an index with nothing indexed. Aside from the single film from Iron County, names from Jackson and Iowa counties that should be found in the index (with nothing in it) for film 1266680 would, most likely, also not be in the Wisconsin Marriages, 1836-1930 Collection. Since we are now dealing with 3 counties, it would seem that the problem is not related to a contractual issue.
There are a few assumption here that may not prove correct, but I think that I will allow others to counter them. In the meantime, I would forward this issue to be reviewed by the engineers.
Thanks for highlighting this.
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Were you possibly at a Family History Library or Center when you viewed that record? Wisconsin vital records have restricted access.
"Name index to marriage records from the state of Wisconsin. Microfilm copies of these records are available at the Family History Library and FamilySearch Centers."
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Thank you, but the answer is no, I was at home. And I can access records for other counties.
On the "Wisconsin Marriages, 1836 - 1930" database search screen, I can enter any combination of the names listed in the record I previously wrote about. This particular event is not being displayed in the results.
Out of curiosity, I searched, with the name fields blank, entering "Iron Wisconsin" in marriage place and checking the box for an exact place match. It responded, "no results found". Then I did the same for the following counties (the numbers of results are in parenthesis): Jackson (9,737), Polk (5,213), Barron (3,914).
It doesn't make any sense to me that there would not be a single marriage in Iron County, especially since I was able to find this one previously in this database.
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The contract may have expired or changed. Or there could be a problem in the database.
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Thank you again. I agree. The bottom line is that something has changed . . . it would be nice to know what!!!
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The film number shows not available online: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/99056
The film reel icon now means not available online from your/my location, since all films have now been digitized.
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When I clicked on the link in the first post I got the message "We're unable to show this record to you. This record can only be displayed on certain accounts. FamilySearch must honor the agreements we have with our partners, record owners, and internal policies"
I am not a member of the LDS Church. This message suggests to me that the Index records on FamilySearch are perhaps now only available to members of the LDS church. The film images are now no longer available to anyone, as indicated by Áine Ní
Donnghaile'spost above..
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I logged in under my member of The Church of Jesus Christ account. Then when clicking the link got the same "...unable to show ..." message. I went to the collection search page:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1708704
And searched for 'Joe Brown' and was able to view the index for some results. I was unable to find the Gustav Cook index referenced above. It seems like there might be something going on with access to the collection. When this sort of thing happens I like to view the collection 'last updated' date:
This is a 'legacy collection' last changed this past January. I suspect that is when access restrictions were last modified. I don't know why problems are happening. Maybe it is something specific with Iron County records. Someone from Familysearch may want to check the collection/comment.
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I started this discussion and now think, as a result of reading some of the replies, that I might not have been totally clear . . . to my knowledge, the image of this record was never available online but the entry was in the index and isn't now. It seems that someone should be able to say why.
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