Marriage date vs marriage of intention date
When attaching sources, it would be helpful to be able to put the dates in order. Sources had been attached and the marriage date showed. Sources were later attached and it put in their marriage box the date of the intention of marriage. The intention of marriage is interesting and should not be deleted but there seems to be no way to keep the correct date of marriage in tact.
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FYI
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Just in passing ...
This is NOT new ...
We have been "Asking"/"Requesting"/"Pleading"/"Begging" for Years, to be able to have ALL "Couple" Events listed; BUT, be able to specify WHICH particular "Event", should appear, in the "Family Members" Section, for a "Couple", rather than just the EARLIEST 'Dated' "Event".
eg.
First ...
▬ Marriage Banns
▬ Intention to Marry
▬ Marriage Licence
Second ...
▬ Marriage
Third ...
▬ Divorce
And, so on ...
▬ Re-Marriage
▬ (and, 'Yes', even) Re-Divorce
There are some "Couples", that have been, Married; and, Divorced, to one another, on MULTIPLE occasions ...
The REAL problem/issue is, WHO, is the one, that CAN (and, should) "Decide", which SHOULD appear ...
Each User/Patron has their OWN "Perception" ...
And, there is LIMITED 'real estate' (ie. room); ESPECIALLY, if there is MORE, than just Two (x2) "Events" ...
Hence ...
The "Dilemma"; and, apparent inaction ...
As, simple things, in fact, can be Much MORE, "Complex"; and, "Complicated", than most of us think ...
It is NOT a "Simple" matter ...
Just my thoughts.
I know, that this certainly does not help/assist; but, I hope, that this may provide you with, some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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The marriage intention can be removed from the couple's table by editing the marriage field between them. The intention record remains in the Source list. You can move it to a Custom event, so that it remains in the Timeline.
Although this topic was made as a Suggestion, I think it belongs under FamilySearch Help:Family Tree.
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This belongs under suggestions because it's yet another iteration of "please fix the relationships section".
The current setup is simplistic to a fault: it only displays the earliest relationship event that has been entered. This means that if you want it to display the correct marriage date, you cannot enter anything that you know about the banns or license or other precursors to the wedding.
As dontiknowyou said, the workaround is to enter pre-marriage events and facts under Other, not in the relationship section. The drawback to this is that you need to do it twice, because the Other section is separate for each profile.
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Looking at the Couple Relationship/Marriage dialogue:
Yes - I think this means FamilySearch only intends one date of marriage to be entered.
You can certainly add other 'Marriage events' (banns, intention, reception, etc) - but there remains only one 'Marriage event'. So I think it is FamilySearch's structural/definitional intention that the earliest date would be the only one that appears (i.e. FamilySearch is defining one marriage event - either they were married or it should not be entered as 'marriage'). I wonder that Banns, intention, etc are not listed there - means they should be entered elsewhere... if one entered them without a date in the date field but put that in Reason or a Note
that would also workaround this issue.
I guess if one only records the actual marriage date event that is all that the profile 'needs'. Other documented Couple Relationship events (banns, intention, etc.) could also be entered under the Sources area as another workaround:
... Since this would be under Couple Relationship - it would only need to be entered once.
...or as mentioned above in Other Information> Custom Event.
I still wish there were an easier way to enter all sources under Sources and then tag 'Marriage' which would add them as Sources under Couple Relationship ... so I still attach marriage sources under Sources too.
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I sometimes do what @genthusiast suggests: use the Relationship Sources list. That is, if I remember to put the sources in a Source Box so I can put them in that list more easily.
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Very simple for family search to take care of. Put everything in the marriage area and check the date of the one you want to show as "the marriage". Anything else is much harder to do and takes more time. Time is not something we have a lot of. Please, get the people that write the program on this. Then we can get all of the sources we can from the "pool of resources" so others don't have to go through such a large pile. If you don't know what I am talking about feel free to call. Mornings are best and you have my number family search. We need to progress and regress.
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There have been discussions on this subject for a number of years, in which time the engineers (and FamilySearch management) have been provided with plenty of ideas on necessary enhancements to the Couple Relationship section.
A main problem is that the earliest of any event dates, that find their way into the Relationship Events box, is the one displayed on the person pages of the two individuals. Unfortunately, many FamilySearch "marriage associated" records (banns, licences, etc.) have been indexed as actual marriages, so these will take precedence and be treated as the "main event date", if carried across in the source linking process, or added manually. To clarify, this leads to a date relating to, say, marriage banns keeping the actual marriage ceremony date hidden away in the Relationship Events division of the Couple Relationship area.
Sadly, this whole area has never been given the priority (for enhancement) that many of us believe it deserves. Maybe one day, but many suggestions for "obvious" improvements remain to be implemented, many years on.
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I see you have an arrow up sign but not a thumbs down sign when people don't agree. And if people have been posting this as a problem, why hasn't something been done about it? Under marriage their should be sub-categories. One date appears between the couple and one date only: THE DATE THEY WERE MARRIED! Everything else stays hidden pertaining to the marriage in the date order that it took place in and can be seen in the large box that they are posted in when you open it up. There is plenty of room on the screen if you just change it a bit. Nothing major!
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