How come the new discovery persons pages are showing living folk as being deceased?
My cousin emailed me to ask why he is shown as deceased which prompted me to look at my own records to find that me and my siblings are all shown as deceased as well.
Has the 'new' system done something which removes the protection for living people to have their personal information withheld from general view?
This must be serious enough to have the new system withdrawn until the problem is fixed.
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Brian
Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Just in passing ...
Question: Have you checked, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch' - ie. to 'see' WHAT your (and, the Others) 'Status' is?
I would humbly suggest ...
That the "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch" [.org], would NOT, be displaying you (and, the Others), if your 'Status', in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', WAS that of "Living".
Just my thoughts.
Brett
ps: We ALL make MISTAKES ... NONE of us are PERFECT ...
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FamilySearch Family Tree has me as 'living'
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Brian
IF, that is NOT, your Personal "Profile", of YOU, from YOUR "Private Spaces", from YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account; THEN, therein, lies the problem/issue ...
That is a "Profile" (ie. a "Duplicate") of YOU, that has been (INCORRECTLY; and, inadvertently) added, to the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', with the 'Status' of "Deceased" (ie. instead of "Living"), by ANOTHER User/Patron.
It happens ...
As, I already suggested ...
We ALL make MISTAKES ...
NONE of us are PERFECT ...
Now ...
That Said ...
You can address/fix that ...
You simply access, EACH of those individuals/persons (including: the version of yourself), created by OTHER Users/Patrons, that you 'see' as "Deceased", who are in fact, "Living"; and, access the "Death" record, of each, "Changing" the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living"; and, provided a "Reason Statement".
Please be advised/aware, that action(s) is NOT "Immediate".
Your submission(s), for such a "Change" of the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living", of an individual/person, goes to 'FamilySearch' "Support", who investigate the matter(s); and, provided, that they "Agree" (with you), will "Approve"/"Authorise", that "Change" of the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living".
Such, can take a Day or two, depending upon their work load.
As an aside ...
When the "Change" of the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living", is "Approved"/"Authorised", the individual/person, GOES into the "Private Spaces", of the particular User/Patron, who created them.
As such, you will NO LONGER 'see', those particular 'FamilySearch Person Identifiers' (PIDs), for those individuals/persons, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'.
Well, not until, they are made "Deceased" again ...
And ...
Here is a "Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I change the status from deceased to living in Family Tree?
Furthermore ...
Just be aware, that ...
Such a "Change", in the the "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch" [.org], WILL take a bit LONGER to appear (ie. be processed); as, such will happen when, BOTH, "Ancestors.FamilySearch" [.org]; and, the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', "Synchronise" together, to deal with ANY "Updates" - this MAY take a couple of Weeks.
I hope, that this helps/assists.
Brett
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You seem to be suggesting that someone has 'maliciously' recorded the deceased information.
When I go to Family Tree and Tree and/or Family Tree and Overview then View Tree I get what information I had loaded for my tree which does not include my siblings. I am recorded as living there.
I am not able to follow the directions given for:
How do I change the status from deceased to living in Family Tree?
- Navigate to the person page of the individual who is living. How do I do this other than what I have outlined above? I don't see the following as an option -
- Click Details
- In the Vitals section, next to the listed death date, select Edit.
- In the box that appears, click the circle labeled Living
- Enter how you know the person is still alive.
- Click Save
I am most concerned that the process (if I can initiate it) is very longwinded and time consuming and it seems that if I have the ability to delete the names of the folk involved I still have not got 'control' over whoever has made the incorrect record and it stays there for the world to see the personal information of the living people. I feel helpless in the circumstances.
I'm sorry Brett, you may be trying to help but I am not getting anywhere.
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Dear @Brian Turner_1 ,
using the following link and replacing XXXX-XXX with your ID or another ID into the tree, you have the possibility to review all changes made to your person checking who made and when the change. In case you can get contact with the user asking for clarifications.
I hope this can help.
Massimo
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I notice on the discovery page that ID numbers are hidden. This may be adding to some of the difficulty and confusion here. Checking some discovery pages I don't see that any person listed as living in Family Tree displays there, only deceased people. So if you are recorded in Family Tree as living and appear on a discovery page as deceased, then there must be a duplicate for you.
Try this: Go to the discovery page where you see yourself as the main person. In the upper right corner is a link labeled "Go To Person Detail Page." Click there. It should go to a different copy of you than what you see when you sign in and go to your page.
Check the Change Log for your duplicate. If only one person is listed in there, then you do have the option of messaging the person and asking him to correct the record. That change ifnFamily Tree takes place immediately. If more than one person is listed or if you never get a response to your message, then you need to change the record from living to deceased and the change will not occur until an administrator reviews it.
If you click on the link on the discovery page and it does not go anywhere, then that copy of you in Family Tree has already been marked living and the discovery page has not updated yet. I don't know if there is any way to speed up the sync. It seems like in this situation there should be.
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Massimo C
Thanks for your input.
Using the link you provided I was able to identify and send the person who apparently provided the information a request (demand!) to make the changes.
I am actually in the system both as living and deceased. Living is my record and deceased is the other person's record. My siblings and cousin are all in the system just once , but deceased - because of this other person's input!
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Gordon Collett
Thanks for your input.
As I have advised Massimo C, I have sent the person responsible for the edits a message to make the changes and of course hope they do so immediately.
However, as it is very strange that the deceased information was recorded in the first place I am not sure how hopeful I should be!
I still cannot follow how to navigate the system to get to the various records in the tree - all too complicated!
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just a note - users of FS do NOT have to defer to the people who entered bad information to correct it.
Any of us have the option to edit information that needs correcting - or adding new information.
there might be a few exemptions to this - but they are rare.
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Brian
'No' ...
I am NOT, in any way, suggesting, that another User/Patron, has 'maliciously' recorded, you; and, your Other "Living" Relatives; as, "Deceased".
As, I already suggested ...
It happens ...
We ALL make MISTAKES ...
NONE of us are PERFECT ...
It is MORE than likely, the other User/Patron, INCORRECTLY; and, inadvertently, recorded, you; and, your Other "Living" Relatives; as, "Deceased".
So ...
That Said ...
RATHER, than WAITING, for the User/Patron who, INCORRECTLY; and, inadvertently, recorded, you; and, your Other "Living" Relatives; as, "Deceased", you CAN try to get the process actioned yourself, by 'FamilySearch' "Support".
As, the OTHER User/Patron, may NOT 'see' your "Request" (ie. as you say, "Demand") in quick time.
There are various reasons for such ...
▬ User/Patron, DOES NOT know about 'Messages', in "User Messaging", in 'FamilySearch' (or, even, "E-mails")
▬ User/Patron, is an infrequent User/Patron, of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'
▬ User/Patron, may have STOPPED using, "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'
and, of course ...
▬ User/Patron, may SIMPLY choose NOT to respond
Now ...
That Said ...
As, you have sent, the User/Patron who, INCORRECTLY; and, inadvertently, recorded, you; and, your Other "Living" Relatives; as, "Deceased"; then, you MUST have access to that "Deceased" Version of you.
As such ...
When you have, that "Person/Details" page/screen, of the "Deceased" Version of you, appearing ...
ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/[PID]
Where the [PID] represents the 'FamilySearch Person Identifier', of of the "Deceased" Version of you.
It is quite simple ...
In the "Vitals" Section ...
▬ GO to the "Death" record ...
▬ Select that ('Blue' Coloured) "Edit" link, on the 'right-hand-side' ...
▬ A "Pop-Up" (ie. "Modal") 'Window' will appear; being, "Edit Death" ...
▬ NOW ...
▬ ▬ "Change" the 'Status', from "Deceased", to that of "Living" ...
▬ ▬ "Add" a "Reason This Information Is Correct:" ...
▬ ▬ "Select" the "Save" ...
Again ...
Please be advised/aware, that action is NOT "Immediate".
Your submission, for such a "Change" of the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living", of an individual/person (ie, in this case, You), goes to 'FamilySearch' "Support", who investigate the matter; and, provided, that they "Agree" (with you), will "Approve"/"Authorise", that "Change" of the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living".
Such, can take a Day or two, depending upon their work load.
As an aside ...
When the "Change" of the 'Status', from "Deceased", to "Living", is "Approved"/"Authorised", the individual/person, GOES into the "Private Spaces", of the particular User/Patron, who created them.
As such, you will NO LONGER 'see', those particular 'FamilySearch Person Identifiers' (PIDs), for those individuals/persons, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'.
I hope, that this may help/assist, somewhat.
Brett
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also
for "finding" anyone in Family tree - simply use the FIND
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/find/name
(dont think you have to add all the different criteria for it to work - simply enter a name and birth year to start and only add more if you get too many hits)
For "sharing" or "pointing people" to a particular record see:
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see also this link for living people marked as deceased.
also repeatedly and intentionally entering living persons as deceased is generally considered "abuse" of the system (but as Brett points out - we can all make honest mistakes - thats not abuse)
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Thanks Brett, I have been able to find the relevant screen/ window with the Death Edit link and made the correction for the 'powers that be' to fix the issue.
In my wandering previously I had seen either that screen or a similar screen without being able to do a death 'edit'.
I can now let my cousin know that hopefully a fix will be completed 'shortly'.
Thanks everyone for your input.
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A few years ago I added, quite correctly, a few members of my tree to the one on this site. I went back a few days later to find that the data I had added had been hijacked by some other member who had changed many details. Mostly this consisted of the 'changer' finding the same name, but of a different person, and arbitrarily changing my correct data to his other person. That put people living in the wrong place, married to the wrong people, with the wrong parents and the wrong children.
I simply deleted as much of the data as I could and decided to never again bother looking at any tree data in Family search. I have no idea what happened after that, I have never bothered to look.
It's a fundamental problem with the entire ethos of Family Search.
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It is not a "fundamental problem with the entire ethos of Family Search." it is a problem of sloppy researchers having no idea with the ethos of FamilySearch is, having never realized they are working in a single common database, and having completely misunderstood how Family Tree works as a single tree for all of us. It is frustrating that people continually mess things up for others due to this lack of comprehension. FamilySearch does keep trying. Their new FIND page for Family Tree reminds users three time that we do not have our own trees here:
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